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    While I forgive OMD (it was Quesadaphisto's fault) I cannot forgive Sins Past. That mess should never ever have happened!

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    Everything up to Sins Past (the infamous arc that reveals that Gwen Stacy had sex and became pregnant with the twins of Norman Osborne) is good-to-great, after Sins Past it goes downhill and never recovers. I do think JMS over stayed his run on the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    The fact is that a 3-year old will come to know Spider-Man through toys, through song (the "Spider-Man" 1967 theme song is a good kid's song), through stickers, through labels, and so on. Not through stories. They will know Spider-Man far before they find out he is Peter Parker, long before they hear "With Great Power comes great responsibility" or listen to any of his jokes. I say that as an uncle to a three-year old kid.

    As for why Spider-Man appeals to kids, it goes to the core of Ditko's design for the character, for a small kid largely confined to their room and just starting to walk out and discover the world, the appeal of crawling around the walls and ceilings is more immediate and tactile than say "flying" or "throwing his mighty shield". I think you can also extend that to older readers and teenagers, people who are "shut-ins" who spend time staring at ceilings, whether they read a lot or are asocial nerds and so on. So a guy who crawls around walls is fairly immediate in terms of experience to them in terms of a fantasy. Small kids are also fascinated with insects, bugs and other stuff because those are often their first introduction to animals (at least in families where they don't have pets). So Spider-Man as a concept speaks directly and immediately to that, over and beyond him being Peter Parker. Fact is only a small part of the global Spider-Man fanbase reads comics books, or thinks of Spider-Man in terms of story. For most people, Spider-Man is simply the guy who cralws up walls and swings around. That Spider-Man 1967 song ("Spider-man, Spider-Man/Does whatever a Spider can") for instance has become a popular standard and was sung and known among people who never read the Spider-man comics and never will. Not once do those lyrics mention Spider-Man's real name and age.
    All good points, but I suspect Spider-Man's personality is a factor too. Every kid is exposed to Spider-Man either on film on television very soon after they learn to talk. Spider-Man's playfulness (something we tend to associate more with kids) arguably registers more with a four-year old than Superman or Cap's personalities do at that age. In that sense, Spidey being "young at heart" is one of the reasons kids are immediately drawn to him.

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    Best writer, on equal standing with dan as my favorite.

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    some of his arcs should be made into animated movies. He could also write the next live action film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberstrike View Post
    Everything up to Sins Past (the infamous arc that reveals that Gwen Stacy had sex and became pregnant with the twins of Norman Osborne) is good-to-great, after Sins Past it goes downhill and never recovers. I do think JMS over stayed his run on the book.
    I'm not sure if he over stayed because of how editorial started to interfere and meddle. I largely agree with your point after Sins Past, with the exception of the Back in Black arc, which was pretty good.
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    I think it's pretty terrible that the Paul Jenkins/Mark Buckingham Peter Parker: Spider-Man run from the same time JMS/JRJR were on Amazing, and Bendis/Bagley were on Ultimate, gets overlooked so often. Jenkins/Buckingham started on PPSM 10 months before JMS started on ASM and they were like the first glimmer of revitalization for mainline Spider-Man comics.

    I think that whole 2001-2004 period roughly is a high point creatively for Spider-Man. That's not even counting Tangled Web (a type of book I wish would happen again with creators of all sorts leaving a mark on some aspect of Spider-Man's world).

    When I say 2001-2004 I'd say that starts with Ultimate Spider-Man being on fire and Peter Parker: Spider-Man bringing life back to the main universe's books by doing thoughtful stuff instead of convoluted stuff, and then JMS jumping on the main book and having some really different directions to take the character. In between that period sure there's some weaker stories interspersed but the overall thruline is very strong with each book offering something unique (USM a reimagining of Lee/Ditko Spidey for the 21st century, PPSM well-written, introspective smaller scale stories focusing on Peter, often giving us the classic rogues not found in ASM, ASM injecting big questions of mysticsm vs. science that hadn't ever been touched on before along with new rogues and a more mature status quo as a teacher, and Tangled Web giving us stories about the characters surrounding Spider-Man by talents that don't typically tackle Spider-Man.

    I'd say roughly that golden period ends around Avengers Disassembled tie-ins, and Sins Past. So basically weird editorial mandates stepping in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey_62 View Post
    I'd say roughly that golden period ends around Avengers Disassembled tie-ins, and Sins Past. So basically weird editorial mandates stepping in.
    You did have Mark Millar's MARVEL KNIGHTS: SPIDER-MAN which came out in 2004-2005. And then of course Matt Fraction's "To Have and to Hold" came out in 2007, alongside Back in Black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    You did have Mark Millar's MARVEL KNIGHTS: SPIDER-MAN which came out in 2004-2005. And then of course Matt Fraction's "To Have and to Hold" came out in 2007, alongside Back in Black.
    True! That run was starting just as JMS/JRJR was wrapping up, I forgot that book but that's something that definitely qualifies. It offered a really different tone from any other Spidey books at the time or before, really, and there's not many other Spidey runs like it that put Spidey through the wringer and have so many villains intertwined. I would say the cutoff period is that point because after that the Spidey books are all pretty mired in crossovers and tie-ins to events for years ( Sins Past, Sins Remembered, Avengers Disassembled, New Avengers, The Other, Civil War, Black in Black, One More Day).

    It's pretty nonstop from there on out and I think the quality dropped for JMS' work on the title pretty quickly as did his enthusiasm despite it feeling like he was trying his best. I think Civil War Spidey tie-ins and Back in Black have their fans but I don't think those stories were a great time for Spider-Man, they didn't really feel like good examples of Spider-Man stories. To Have in To Hold is definitely the big stand-out all-timer of that era that really got Peter and MJ in a great way. That's just one awesome issue in the middle of a bunch of consistently mostly mediocre stuff, though. Aguire-Sacasa on Sensational was probably the strongest title of the Civil War/Back in Black years.
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