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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    1. May dating Jarvis screams celeb relationship in the way people complain about MCU Spider-Man constantly being surrounded by Tony Stark and not being allowed to build his own mythos.
    Calling Jarvis a celebrity is like calling Will Smith's limo driver a celebrity.

    2. Compare the actual focus on said lives before the run. Now we only really see their lives to show how Spider-Man is interfering with it.
    I'm not seeing much of a difference in this run vs previous ones. Peter's Spider-Man stuff always had a way of leaking into his personal life like when May almost married Otto Octavius. At least now she was in on the secret instead of just being an oblivious, fragile woman whom Peter had to protect.


    3. For all Peter talks about caring about people, he doesn't actually trust them. Him telling her his secret would show that he does in fact trust her and show that he's not just explaining himself cause he got caught with his pants down. A mature adult comes clean rather than just lets things happen.
    Well, you can't say JMS was being inconsistent in that regard. Either way, it's the same result, and I'm more concerned with May finding out than how it happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamnotJudasTraveller View Post


    Well, he managed to win over the Spider-Man subset rather strongly, nostalgia helps too with Marvel doing a 180º of the Peter he wrote. But if you paid attention to the guy, the illusion wore off fast. He'd say that he only ever cared about writing Superman while he was at Marvel - that'd he pass on George Lucas directing a script of his' for it (George hadn't so harshly fallen from grace over Youtube takedowns of his flawed prequels yet). Then he went over to DC, and Grounded was heralded with pomp and circumstance. It bellyflopped. He left the book halfway his own arc, and then said he what REALLY wanted to do was Earth One Superman. Then DC announced Before Watchmen and he said that's what drove him to DC or somesuch... then the comic gigs were drying up and he said "he's conquered another challenge in his life", etc. You see the guy's just covering for his back and being his own PR man. Of course, far be it from me to say he has the wrong idea: with creators burning their goodwill in social media in record time these days, taking care of your reputation while not being adversarial is a Nobel prize winning handling of affairs by comparison.


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    I feel pretty positive JMS never even heard of The Gift let alone read it; for as much as he claimed to be a Spidey fan, I think he had only ever read the original Ditko and maybe Romita issues. He certainly never referenced anything from continuity hardly ever. And I do agree that it was awkward that he pared the supporting cast down to just May and MJ. I don't think it needs to swell to Brand New Day proportions with idiots like Vin and Michelle Gonzales taking up space, but Peter had lost everyone he cared about except them so it almost seemed logical when One More Day came along that he had no one. I enjoyed his run at the time but I think Jenkins overall did a better job, even though he was completely overshadowed unfairly. JMS likes his really lame humor, that's for sure, like Aunt May seeing the kid looking at porn or Spidey signing the air conditioner a few pages back.

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    Even in Coming Home there's inconsistencies with Peter remembering things like hanging out at a specific diner that's not the Coffee Bean with the high school crew and it includes Gwen and Harry I think, it doesn't bother me 'cause if the story's great I don't mind stuff like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil1 View Post
    I feel pretty positive JMS never even heard of The Gift let alone read it; for as much as he claimed to be a Spidey fan, I think he had only ever read the original Ditko and maybe Romita issues. He certainly never referenced anything from continuity hardly ever.
    The unspoken truth of comics is that writers often don't read the backlog on what they have to write - which makes sense with the amount of work comic writers typically have to juggle, and they rely on editors to make sure they don't do anything wrong. When Marvel was refurbishing some concepts like Foolkiller, especially around their Netflix boom, they published a mini-series that egregiously contradicted the material it referenced; two sociopaths were communicating strictly via BBS in the internet's early days to avoid being caught. In the current-day series, flashbacks show them using written notes, which glaringly contradicts the characters saying "Nothing on paper!" explicitly as a turning point for the series. The writer, naturally, said he "read" the series he contradicted in interviews, just to give an example. Someone with JMS' standing, then? It goes without saying he must have read something that editorial told him "THIS you really want to be spot on" - and that's not an indictment so much as how the game's played, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Calling Jarvis a celebrity is like calling Will Smith's limo driver a celebrity.

    I'm not seeing much of a difference in this run vs previous ones. Peter's Spider-Man stuff always had a way of leaking into his personal life like when May almost married Otto Octavius. At least now she was in on the secret instead of just being an oblivious, fragile woman whom Peter had to protect.

    Well, you can't say JMS was being inconsistent in that regard. Either way, it's the same result, and I'm more concerned with May finding out than how it happened.
    It's a celeb relationship because it's a crossover between Iron Man's cast and Peter's.

    How things happen is incredibly important. Peter is still the same person before she learned the secret than he was after she did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    It's a celeb relationship because it's a crossover between Iron Man's cast and Peter's.
    That's not what a celebrity relationship is in the slightest.

    You'd have more of a leg to stand on if she were dating Iron Man, not Jarvis.

    How things happen is incredibly important. Peter is still the same person before she learned the secret than he was after she did.
    I disagree strongly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    That's not what a celebrity relationship is in the slightest.

    You'd have more of a leg to stand on if she were dating Iron Man, not Jarvis.



    I disagree strongly.
    I think they mean “celebrity relationship” from the reader’s perspective, not an in-universe one.
    Jarvis isn’t really a celebrity in the eyes of the characters, but he is to readers because he’s been in the Avengers comics for 50+ years. It’s similar to when May briefly dated Wiliie Lumpkin—he’s just a mailman to the characters, but he’s a “celebrity” to readers because he’s from Fantastic Four comics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    I think they mean “celebrity relationship” from the reader’s perspective, not an in-universe one.
    Jarvis isn’t really a celebrity in the eyes of the characters, but he is to readers because he’s been in the Avengers comics for 50+ years. It’s similar to when May briefly dated Wiliie Lumpkin—he’s just a mailman to the characters, but he’s a “celebrity” to readers because he’s from Fantastic Four comics.
    Strangely, I don't recall anyone complaining about that relationship from that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey_62 View Post
    Even in Coming Home there's inconsistencies with Peter remembering things like hanging out at a specific diner that's not the Coffee Bean with the high school crew and it includes Gwen and Harry I think, it doesn't bother me 'cause if the story's great I don't mind stuff like that.
    Man, I never even noticed that:



    (ASM#30 vol 2).

    The narration in that part vague enough that you could may say this isn't supposed to be in high school, though you'd have to ignore how the next parts mention high school, but the art has Peter wearing glasses, something he stopped doing by ASM#8 after Flash broke 'em, so not only it's supposed to be high school Peter, it's early high school Peter, which's before even Liz was interested in him, and you also have to ignore the plot hole of Gwen and Harry being around in high school lol.
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    Simple no-prize to that? Spider-man's remembering it wrong. That was years ago and he's been hit in the head a lot since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    Simple no-prize to that? Spider-man's remembering it wrong. That was years ago and he's been hit in the head a lot since then.
    It's just a random, unimportant flashback, so it's not actually damaging, it's easy to not notice it too, I just pointed out how much wrong it got now that someone else made me notice it lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Strangely, I don't recall anyone complaining about that relationship from that regard.
    That’s because I didn’t know it existed until now.

    When did that even happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    That’s because I didn’t know it existed until now.

    When did that even happen?
    Circa 1991. But this is what I mean. Willie Lumpkin isn't necessarily a "celebrity" to the characters in the book, but he certainly was one to readers, as evidenced by the reveal he was May's suitor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    Circa 1991. But this is what I mean. Willie Lumpkin isn't necessarily a "celebrity" to the characters in the book, but he certainly was one to readers, as evidenced by the reveal he was May's suitor.
    Lumpkin May.jpg
    Is there a place in Marvel's universe teaching people this specific line? Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJT View Post
    Circa 1991. But this is what I mean. Willie Lumpkin isn't necessarily a "celebrity" to the characters in the book, but he certainly was one to readers, as evidenced by the reveal he was May's suitor.
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