Is "Mutants will replace humans" supremacist rhetoric?

[BroHomo]

the highly aggressive actions undertaken by the X-Men necessitates an aggressive response in return from humanity
.

was Genosha not aggressive enough?

[Kintor]

was Genosha not aggressive enough?

The inevitable fall of Krakoa is going to make Genosha look like a picnic at a pacifist summer camp.

[powerpax]

Sixteen million mutants will die just because the mutants dared to found their own nation and party up while not blanket forgiving humanity's sins or making it feel better about Genosha, the Sentinels, etc? Doubt it.

[Killerbee911]

The inevitable fall of Krakoa is going to make Genosha look like a picnic at a pacifist summer camp.

Do the hostile actions of humans not require a response of mutants? Wouldn't you say the highly aggressive actions of humans have "radicalized" a group into taking certain steps? Why is it that mutants have to be passive and docile to appease humans? And if mutants are the stand-in for minorities in the metaphor what message is X-men sending to its readers?

[BroHomo]

And if mutants are the stand-in for minorities in the metaphor what message is X-men sending to its readers?

That many readers Believe that the only/best way for an oppressed group to thrive is on the table scraps thrown from their oppressors

[useridgoeshere]

The worse thing is the stuff with Emma and if I remember correctly it was Russia who she messed with given what Russia is doing. Oh well

And even that isn't that bad. It's no different than what happens every day in international diplomacy. Clearly Emma didn't just change the ambassador's mind, because Russia would know, expose it and recall the ambassador. No one in that position has that kind of autonomy, so her abstention had to reflect the overall Russian government's position. Somehow, Emma and the ambassador convinced Russian leadership (is it Putin in the MU?) to change their minds.

Thanks for replying to all this with the facts. Basically, there's no "evil" thing Krakoa has done, unless you view Mutant equality and self-defense as evil.

[PrezValentine]

Do the hostile actions of humans not require a response of mutants? Wouldn't you say the highly aggressive actions of humans have "radicalized" a group into taking certain steps? Why is it that mutants have to be passive and docile to appease humans? And if mutants are the stand-in for minorities in the metaphor what message is X-men sending to its readers?

Well, yes. Mutants are supposed to be tame. Never challenge the status quo, unless you want to have a deserved response, never mind that the actions currently taken are already a response to previous aggressions. Might as well call them X-Bootlickers.

This is all so tiresome, I swear to God. Imagine if people actually apply this in their real life political stances. A lot of us will have to adopt the Magneto "I do. I decide." stance.

[PwrdOn]

I mean, these stories are written by a bunch of white men who have never experienced any discrimination in their lives writing about what they think oppression would feel like, so intentionally or not, it will read like a white supremacist tract at times. This is why it always seem to come down to some grand extermination campaign, when in reality these are rather rare and oppression tends to take on subtler forms, such as economic disempowerment or programming self-hate into people at an early age. The existence of a multi-billion dollar "good hair" industry is a great example of this, these products are not killing black women but they are quite potent in degrading their status and perceived worth within our society. And likewise, resistance to oppression is rarely the kind of romantic struggle that it's often portrayed as, and successful revolutions tend to be marked by a willingness to play dirty and adopt the tactics of the masters against them, though those parts usually get scrubbed from the history books later on.

[Triniking1234]

It's a book about superhero sci-fi soap opera; not oppression 101. You really think Angel f**king Husk mid-air in front of her mum had something to do with white supremacy?

[People Of The Earth]

Do the hostile actions of humans not require a response of mutants? Wouldn't you say the highly aggressive actions of humans have "radicalized" a group into taking certain steps? Why is it that mutants have to be passive and docile to appease humans? And if mutants are the stand-in for minorities in the metaphor what message is X-men sending to its readers?

No one is complaining about the creation of a country-like Krakoa - it's been done before, and will be done again after Hickman's run.
What people are annoyed to see is the X-Men and Xavier being front and center in its creation.
If the Acolytes or Magneto and his Brotherhood had been the ones to create that nation and were the ones to run their mouth with that kind of wild rhetoric on race and separatism, no one would bat an eye whatsoever: that would be in line with what we know of them.
But Xavier and his X-Men are on the far end of that moral Spectrum, fighting for peaceful coexistence between sapiens and mutants. They were NEVER about mutant separatism, let alone mutant supremacy over sapiens. That's not WHO they are.

Also, you and others need to realize that mutants are as humans as sapiens, it's been talked to death and it's really annoying to keep seeing people make that awful distinction between mutants and the rest of humanity.
Mutants are Humans, the same way that Sapiens are Humans.
They both are sister branches of Humanity, both are integral part of the Human specie.
With this logic that you are employing, that keeps distancing mutants from the rest of humanity to the point of you referring to sapiens as "the HUMANS" , why oh why then should sapiens care about them? Beings that are not even referring themselves as humans anymore but as their own separate species?
They might as well be aliens with your logic.

[Londo Bellian]

With this logic that you are employing, that keeps distancing mutants from the rest of humanity to the point of you referring to sapiens as "the HUMANS" , why oh why then should sapiens care about them? Beings that are not even referring themselves as humans anymore but as their own separate species?
They might as well be aliens with your logic.

That line of thought ("You're human! We're all human!" countered by "No! We're aliens, as inhuman as the invaders from outer space on television!") was touched upon years ago in "Crossbone Gundam."

[BroHomo]

It's a book about superhero sci-fi soap opera; not oppression 101. You really think Angel f**king Husk mid-air in front of her mum had something to do with white supremacy?

Well we've yet to see 2 non-white X-Men get it on in the sky....

No one is complaining about the creation of a country-like Krakoa - it's been done before, and will be done again after Hickman's run.

Yeah one whole other time

With this logic that you are employing, that keeps distancing mutants from the rest of humanity to the point of you referring to sapiens as "the HUMANS" , why oh why then should sapiens care about them? Beings that are not even referring themselves as humans anymore but as their own separate species?

Cauuuuse They're living beings???

[PwrdOn]

That line of thought ("You're human! We're all human!" countered by "No! We're aliens, as inhuman as the invaders from outer space on television!") was touched upon years ago in "Crossbone Gundam."

Well the space dwellers in Gundam were always pretty explicitly shown to be neo Nazis, except that all of their propaganda about being a superior race was actually true to an extent. And of course despite being the nominal bad guys, the Zeon factions always end up being the fan favorites, though I suppose that's not too surprising given what side Japan was on in WW2.

[Triniking1234]

Most of Tomino's bad guys were based on the Nazis/AXIS. Damn boomer.

Speaking of Gundam, Hick-Men is deadass Gundam SEED. Not Destiny tho. F that.

[Midnight_v]

And if mutants are the stand-in for minorities in the metaphor what message is X-men sending to its readers?

Shrug. Its not real life. Very distant from it. Thats why the metaphor is shockingly bad.

I wish. I FREAKING WISH that BLACK PEOPLE could be bulletproof... but I wouldn't want ANY single individual to exist powerful more powerful than any army a nation could field.
The power dynamic is all wrong. Prejudice plus power has been the pushed stipulative definition for a while now.

Something else. No group is going to allow you (or any other group) to tear down all the systems. Which while not directly stated sometimes is an implied goal for many people, kinda why Obama felt the need to make that message.

So the xmen want separation, and NOW magneto thinks (unsurprisingly) "We're you're gods" and the unusual situation where No mutant is subject to human laws, its laughable because mutants are human too.
Separatism isn't really the flippin movment I want to encourage for minorities everywhere either, LOL. Its been an american wet dream from slavery to The immigration that the "OTHER" just get out of OUR PLACE.
...and... well.. uhm. . . "No?"
yeah. No.
And Mags? Mags is still just a villain. His bs rhetoric about Mutant Supremacy was the first domino. Dude could have joined the avengers, but instead his first act is to attack a U.S. military base and start talking like the nazis he hates so much.
Not only is he a black hat, he's literally a huge fricken hypocrite or idiot. Almost every single speech he gives about mutants would be a Reich speech if you replace the word "Mutant" with "Aryan" not every single one, but through enough of his characterization that I know it fits. Its not even a big deal... till they make him one of the leading voices of the Xmen. ROFLMFAO, its cute, and funny, but hey, dude want revenge and to get it he becomes the same type of guy he should WANT revenge
on.
That being said.

Justice. Everyone deserves that. Heroes iconically have hearts that "CRY OUT" for that.

Vengeance. No one gets to have that. And those who seek it too vigorously society ends up having to put them down.

I mean... Captain America hates the Punisher for good reasons.

The Xmen's motto since inception has been ... Protecting a World That Hates and Fears Them... Not abandoning humanity until we decide we get to be its new gods fully.

But hey.. its the celestial great game.

The deviants totally WON it. One earth, AND on the Skrull home-world... the only reason this is gone down is because the Celestials totally showed up and wiped the server on them pretty early on. Shrug.
Ah well... none of this changes anything so I'm content to sit back and enjoy hickmans well crafted tale. It has no BEARING on real life, and supremacy/rhetoric/politics... etc... its just TOO different from what I deal being black
in america. *shrug* Meanwhile we're just too deep on these forums sometimes. Smh. Laterz.