Is "Mutants will replace humans" supremacist rhetoric?

[Zelena]

So Steve Rogers is not being a hero when he protects Americans?

Well, I don't think he asks for a person's nationality before he saves him/her though he has been created as a national hero. I prefer to think his area of action goes beyond the US. I suppose it depends on the author.
But, it's more about what is altruism.

[DragonsChi]

Mutants have also protected (and protect, as seen in Fallen Angels) humans apart from mutants. You only have to see in Second Coming for example that Cyclops deployed groups in San Francisco to help humans trapped in the dome at the expense of allocating more troops to defend Utopia.

In War of the Realms, the X-Men dedicated themselves to protecting many humans in New York. And so many examples.

And the members of the KKK donates to charities. Doing something good does not abolish or make up for evil views or practices.

[LordUltimus]

Civil War (was only protecting vigilantes)
Time Runs Out (was only protecting his ego)

He protected civilians in both.

[Glio]

And the KKK donates to charities. Doing something good does not abolish or make up for evil views are practices.

Let's see, the X-men are dedicated to protecting mutants more than humans because mutants in the Marvel universe receive not only the dangers of any citizen but also many others. Most people just have to worry that aliens or demons invade their city, mutants worry about that and ALSO of homicidal Christians, genocidal robots, toxic mists and so on.

Mutants have more dangers than any other citizen of the Marvel Universe because they are mutants, so they need more protection. It is logical.

[DragonsChi]

Let's see, the X-men are dedicated to protecting mutants more than humans because mutants in the Marvel universe receive not only the dangers of any citizen but also many others. Most people just have to worry that aliens or demons invade their city, mutants worry about that and ALSO of homicidal Christians, genocidal robots, toxic mists and so on.

Mutants have more dangers than any other citizen of the Marvel Universe because they are mutants, so they need more protection. It is logical.

Again, doing something good, does not absolve anyone from the bad things they do or continue to do.

You can try to justify evil anyway you want but it does not make the act any less evil.

[Killerbee911]

I'll never understand this wave of triumphantism that has swept the X-Men fanbase. Have you forgotten the one rule that Moira learnt from her many lives? I'll remind you - Mutants always lose. The pursuit of an evolutionary paradigm means nothing when greater humanity embraces transhumanist technologies. It's self-directed evolution, not just for the next generation but even those already born 'flatscans' can all outpace Mutants at an exponential rate. So really, be a bit more humble, Mutant supremacism is quite a misplaced notion.

Moria lives doesn't disprove Mutants "superiority", It just shows that a variable can change things. In the past Humans has used the variable surpass mutants now mutants understand this and are using same variable make sure they come out ahead . The reason Orchis is panicking is that mutants growth is higher than expected in this timeline and mutants is going to be dominant species before humans can hit post humans.Simple put right now mutants are avoiding the thing that makes them always lose.

[useridgoeshere]

Difference being is that Steve Rogers would/does protect EVERYONE. Being Captain America never stopped him from trying to do what he thought would help everyone not just one group of people.

No one protects everyone, otherwise there's no enemies. Captain America doesn't protect Nazis (except when he is one) or malevolent aliens, for example.

X-Men protect everyone in exactly the same way. No, they're not protecting genocidal humans like Orchis or Purifiers, but they are protecting good people in MU. There just aren't very many of them.

[PrezValentine]

Ok, they do good things, I trust you on that.
I just want to say that protecting your own people doesn't count (as an altruistic behaviour) as it should be a desinteressed gesture. You help yours, they will help you back, one day. Spider-man didn't have much recognition in his hero lifetime.

That makes no sense. I'm sorry. Are you telling me that it "doesn't count" because they are saving mutants and should be saving humans too, ignoring the fact that they are also helping humans, as the crew in Fallen Angels does and Cyclops' X-Men will be doing again soon?

Also, this really raises another problem. Either mutants aren't human, therefore this argument of whether they are or are not helping regular humans has some merit; or they are humans with powers, like some seem to preach here, and by saving mutants they are saving humans who are in a worse situation.

[DragonsChi]

No one protects everyone, otherwise there's no enemies. Captain America doesn't protect Nazis (except when he is one) or malevolent aliens, for example.

X-Men protect everyone in exactly the same way. No, they're not protecting genocidal humans like Orchis or Purifiers, but they are protecting good people in MU. There just aren't very many of them.

This is a false argument. Do to the framework of it.

Captain America's goal is to protect everyone from harm. Even those who engage in bad and/or evil acts. The only time when this has not been the case is when those (Nazis) are engaged in a practice that is harmful to others.

Ergo if a Nazi or a group of Nazis where being wrongfully mistreated or not given proper justice Captain America would and does fight for them regardless if he disagrees with them.

That is what true Heroism is. And it use to be what the X-Men stood for as well.

"Protecting a World that Fears and Hates them." Also, known as "Doing whats right because its the right thing to do" or "Standing for Justice regardless of the Hardships it may cause you and yours."

Now do to the vary diligent work of radical creators the X-Men's true message is not only lost but it's so disjointed the company itself appears to be confused as to what their true purpose is.

[PrezValentine]

What is this liberal tomfoolery of protecting Nazis doing in this place
The belief on the Nazi doctrine is already an act of harm in itself

[DragonsChi]

Foolish is believing that the views you hold makes one life more precious than another.

Foolish is believing that people cannot and should not be given the opportunity to change.

Foolish is pretending that Heroism is bound to cult like "right think" and not to standing up for What is Right, Justice, and Individual Freedom.

Foolishness comes in a lot of forms and it is ever present in those who are dismissive of the view points of others and those who see themselves as the better of others for ANY reason.

[loke13]

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Foolish is believing that the views you hold makes one life more precious than another.

Foolish is believing that people cannot and should not be given the opportunity to change.

Foolish is pretending that Heroism is bound to cult like "right think" and not to standing up for What is Right, Justice, and Individual Freedom.

Foolishness comes in a lot of forms and it is ever present in those who are dismissive of the view points of others and those who see themselves as the better of others for ANY reason.

Not going to read over a dozen pages so I'll just simply ask, what is the point you're trying to convey about the Hickman X-Men?

[Wild Fang X]

Foolish is believing that the views you hold makes one life more precious than another.

Foolish is believing that people cannot and should not be given the opportunity to change.

Foolish is pretending that Heroism is bound to cult like "right think" and not to standing up for What is Right, Justice, and Individual Freedom.

Foolishness comes in a lot of forms and it is ever present in those who are dismissive of the view points of others and those who see themselves as the better of others for ANY reason.

Bruh, you're REALLY reaching with your argument(s) which are all based on semantics. When mutants are actively persecuting and lynching flatscans every chance they get, you let me know. Otherwise, you need to chill with that "mutant supremacist" talk, seeing that from the way your points are presented, you lack experience with the issues of discrimination and bigotry to talk the way you are. Cheers!

[PrezValentine]

Foolish is believing that the views you hold makes one life more precious than another.

Foolish is believing that people cannot and should not be given the opportunity to change.

Foolish is pretending that Heroism is bound to cult like "right think" and not to standing up for What is Right, Justice, and Individual Freedom.

Foolishness comes in a lot of forms and it is ever present in those who are dismissive of the view points of others and those who see themselves as the better of others for ANY reason.

Foolishness is thinking you can keep something like nazism protected and it will never bite your hand, mate. Or that it won't ever harm others, because you think it's more important being on a philosophical high horse than doing what's necessary. Being tolerant to intolerance is exactly what put the world in the crappy state we're in currently. You can't be in any way soft to those who defend ideas such as ethnical cleansing or genocide. And yes, of course anyone should be dismissive of racists or nazis or whatever. It's not hard to say that you're better than those kind of people.

[DragonsChi]

Not going to read over a dozen pages so I'll just simply ask, what is the point you're trying to convey about the Hickman X-Men?

That unless there is some big revelation in the end where it specifically shows/says how the X-Men as a whole engaged in harmful ideas and practices, that the writer/company/whoever is purposely attempting to not only justify their own harmful ideology but that they are also trying to convince readers of it being the correct ideology to pursue.


Sidenote: For those who want to question my stance, while also appeasing their own very radical thinking. I'm a Bisexual, Black Man who is not from the U.S.A . I'm willing to bet that I know more about Discrimination and Bigotry then many of the entitled, more then likely, white liberals on this forum. So please reframe from questioning my stance and worth on this subject, unless your intention is me making a fool out of you in public by destructing your arguments and exposing your radical view points.