Is "Mutants will replace humans" supremacist rhetoric?

[DragonsChi]

There is nothing wrong with them forming a nation and coming up with their own set of laws. There is something wrong when they force their laws on other nations.

When they maim people who are essentially doin their jobs.

When their leaders out right lie to their people about things they continually lead to their death.

When they allow their own bigotry to encourage exclusion and elitism.

So on and so on....

[CoCoBandz]

There is nothing wrong with them forming a nation and coming up with their own set of laws. There is something wrong when they force their laws on other nations.

When they maim people who are essentially doin their jobs.

When their leaders out right lie to their people about things they continually lead to their death.

When they allow their own bigotry to encourage exclusion and elitism.

So on and so on....

What laws have they forced on another nation?

And who have they maimed for "doing their jobs"?

[The Quiet Councilor]

Traffickers were maimed for trying to kill the heroes as they were rescuing trafficking victims.

Let’s not get it twisted.

[DragonsChi]

Yeah so this conversation is going to go in circles now.

I will state something that is clearly wrong doing and something the "moral" person should not be engaged in for the story.

Then you or someone else will justify their evil action with that of the evil action the "bad" guy is making.

When in the end the fact that you even have to justify their action, just shows they are in the wrong.

[The Quiet Councilor]

Yeah so this conversation is going to go in circles now.

I will state something that is clearly wrong doing and something the "moral" person should not be engaged in for the story.

Then you or someone else will justify their evil action with that of the evil action the "bad" guy is making.

When in the end the fact that you even have to justify their just shows they are in the wrong.

So you think they should’ve just let those soldiers march the mutants to their deaths? Do you feel the same about Nazi Germany?

[DragonsChi]

So you think they should’ve just let those soldiers march the mutants to their deaths? Do you feel the same about Nazi Germany?

I don't think having the main character who is suppose to be a representation of a hero maiming her opponents, while showing a considerable amount of joy while doing, is necessary for freeing people. Especially, considering she, herself was in no real danger as she boisterously demonstrated.

[Tycon]

I don't think having the main character who is suppose to be a representation of a hero maiming her opponents, while showing a considerable amount of joy while doing, is necessary for freeing people. Especially, considering she, herself was in no real danger as she boisterously demonstrated.

She had rounds shot through her head and her friends were temporarily depowered. Just because she expertly handles the situation doesn’t mean there wasn’t danger underway. One wrong move and she would’ve died. She wasn’t gleeful about what she was doing, it’s called quipping. I don’t think she even smiled during the whole encounter but don’t worry, keep on defending ones who are clearly heartless bad guys.

[DragonsChi]

She had rounds shot through her head and her friends were temporarily depowered. Just because she expertly handles the situation doesn’t mean there wasn’t danger underway. One wrong move and she would’ve died. She wasn’t gleeful about what she was doing, it’s called quipping. I don’t think she even smiled during the whole encounter but don’t worry, keep on defending ones who are clearly heartless bad guys.

Both sides acted like bad guys. There's really no way around that one.

The whole idea around being a hero is that you don't/won't resort to what the bad guys do. But currently that distinction is lost and the readers are more content with justify their favorite characters actions instead of just admitting that they are not acting in a manner that upholds true heroic ideals.

[Zelena]

Both sides acted like bad guys. There's really no way around that one.

The whole idea around being a hero is that you don't/won't resort to what the bad guys do. But currently that distinction is lost and the readers are more content with justify their favorite characters actions instead of just admitting that they are not acting in a manner that upholds true heroic ideals.

The question is: what is Hickman playing at? What is the message? With previous authors, I knew their conception of good or bad, their belief, just by reading their work. They left no ambiguity about it. This one, I don't know. It's just blurry and vague…

[BroHomo]

The current post are proving my point that some may not know what they are talking about.

I meeeean evolution is still a theory no one is 100% when discussing it

Currently, humans are still in the mix so by you very arguments and based on 50 something years of X-Men, humans have managed over and over again to come close to completely wiping out Mutant kind. Thereby, based on your arguments THEY are the true inheritors of the earth ,because by your version of evolution, humans have either the tools or evolutionary superior intellect to make it so. Ergo they are the ones with the real "power" that again some of the posters here are so focused on.

I mean except in the world's we've seen where they don't

Edit: To go on further...By the very notion being thrown around in this thread that "Some people are inherently better then others and those people deserver more" everyone in this thread is hitching their wagon to the wrong horse. Since again HUMANS are the one who continually pound out the Mutants. Which we all should be able to agree is wrong.

Sooo readers should root for the aggressive instigator. Because they always win?? Never liked that flavor of Kool Aid

Instead of the current blatant propagandist fan fiction we are currently reading.

you mean Canon?

Both sides acted like bad guys. There's really no way around that one.

so basically to you...Human trafficking=enjoying stoping and beating up Human Trafficker
EDIT: only good vibes to you on this 'National Day of Mourning'

[People Of The Earth]

I’d love to hear what heroes are acting like villains. While we wait for the examples, I want to point out that building your own community and culture after repeated violent rejection by the mainstream is not evil or morally questionable. It’s how you find the safety and support to thrive. The LGBTQ community is a great example.

No one is saying mutants can't form their own nation, you guys sure love to distort whatever arguments you dislike to suit your narratives, that's impressive.

Again for the ones in the back: no ones is questionning the existence of Krakoa.
What people are discussing is the POLICIES it practices.

Try and see the difference here, for the sake of those discussions.

[Tycon]

Both sides acted like bad guys. There's really no way around that one.

The whole idea around being a hero is that you don't/won't resort to what the bad guys do. But currently that distinction is lost and the readers are more content with justify their favorite characters actions instead of just admitting that they are not acting in a manner that upholds true heroic ideals.

Unironically “both siding” mutants fighting a bunch of militia who are sending defenseless mutants to labor camps where they’ll die. The whole idea of a hero isn’t a strict, unwavering thing and to assume so is vastly undervaluing what heroics are all about. To act like there are objective moralistic values that heroes should always uphold is naive at best, idiotic and dumbfoundingly destructive at worst.

There is no equivalency between Kate and her crew making sure armed oppressors stay down and soldiers shooting to kill while imprisoning mutants on the sole basis of their X-Gene.

[CoCoBandz]

Both sides acted like bad guys. There's really no way around that one.

The whole idea around being a hero is that you don't/won't resort to what the bad guys do. But currently that distinction is lost and the readers are more content with justify their favorite characters actions instead of just admitting that they are not acting in a manner that upholds true heroic ideals.

In the X-Mhthos ideals have only ever gotten people killed. Pragmatism has saved more mutant lives than can be counted. Spare us all the self righteous preaching.

And really? You're really putting mutant traffickers shooting to kill and liberators on the same level? Because Kate fked them up?

Only in your mind are actual human trafficking liberators as bad as the traffickers because they neutralized said traffickers with non lethal force.

[DragonsChi]

Unironically “both siding” mutants fighting a bunch of militia who are sending defenseless mutants to labor camps where they’ll die. The whole idea of a hero isn’t a strict, unwavering thing and to assume so is vastly undervaluing what heroics are all about. To act like there are objective moralistic values that heroes should always uphold is naive at best, idiotic and dumbfoundingly destructive at worst.

There is no equivalency between Kate and her crew making sure armed oppressors stay down and soldiers shooting to kill while imprisoning mutants on the sole basis of their X-Gene.

... "Defenseless" super powered Mutants. An oxymoron that can only be conjured up on CBR forums.

And yeah there are key guidelines that make up a hero. Just because some may choose to ignore those guidelines because it makes them feel better does not mean IDEAS, WORDS, and CHARACTER can be swayed depending on what is happening at the moment.

[Tycon]

... "Defenseless" super powered Mutants. An oxymoron that can only be conjured up on CBR forums.

And yeah there are key guidelines that make up a hero. Just because some may choose to ignore those guidelines because it makes them feel better does not mean IDEAS, WORDS, and CHARACTER can be swayed depending on what is happening at the moment.

We don’t know what powers those mutants had. Defense implies they are able to fight back and since they’re in captivity by a person who has a suit designed to rob them of their powers. Once again, being vague around the situation these mutants are in isn’t helping the argument. Once they were rescued, they told Kate that they were gonna get sent off to a labor camp against their will. Clearly not all that capable of defending themselves against that kind of threat.