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    Default James Tynion's Pitch for his 2020 Batman Run

    So James Tynion started a newsletter today (you can subscribe at https://jamestynioniv.substack.com/) With it, he also shared details on his Batman run and gave out the pitch. It's pretty long, but it sounds interesting.

    "Batman is an action horror superhero comic book.

    Heading into 2020, THAT is our absolute True North. Every page of every issue should feel like an action horror superhero comic. The monsters should be deadly and frightening, and Batman should feel frightening in and of himself. The villains of Gotham fear him, and he is going to take that fear and wield it like a weapon to get his city back under control. Batman doesn’t just show up in broad daylight to scare his villains, he uses tricks and shadows, and voice modulation to make it seem like he can be anywhere and everywhere at once.

    The scary thing with Batman, even to villains who have fought him over and over again across decades is that they KNOW that under his suit he is just a man. But still he seems to be impossible. You fire a dozen armor piercing rounds into his torso, and you still know by the time you race down the stairs to your getaway car, he’s going to be there, ahead of you. And he is going to HURT you. They fear him because they can’t, for the life of them, understand how he does it, which gives him this supernatural air. To the bad guys, Batman is like Michael Myers. He keeps getting up when it shouldn’t be possible to get up anymore. How can you win against him? You’d have to be crazy to try.

    Even Bruce Wayne is a figure of the shadows. He is a billionaire industrialist, but he is strange and a little reclusive. The last vestiges of his more conservative style would have gone out the window with the death of Alfred Pennyworth. Alfred laid out clothes for Bruce. With him, he would have dressed a bit more like his father. More sweater vests like the old money he is. Without Alfred, Bruce is pure practicality. He wears BLACK. So does Selina… They go to a different type of Gotham City gala. The Old Money Gotham is corrupt and broken. Instead, Bruce goes to the young money of the city to help finance its reconstruction.

    With Selina on his arm, the “Playboy” Bruce is dead. Every waking minute is dedicated to the rebuild of Gotham City, both as Bruce Wayne and as Batman. He is in control of every room he enters, and people are a little frightened of him. He is one of the richest people in the world, and he has experienced so much loss. But it’s clear he’s trying to make the city better. People admire him, because most people in his shoes would have LEFT Gotham a long time ago.

    He has just faced tremendous failure in the last year of story. He lost his City, and lost his way… But now that he’s back, he has an almost manic intensity. He is going to FIX things. He’s going to make it so nobody like Bane can ever do this to the city again."

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    So he and Selina are still going to be a couple? Hmm. I wonder if that's because he's been directed that it does indeed have to be canon with the upcoming Bat/Cat book.

    If so, that's a good sign! At least in terms of a possible baby Helena happening (if not marriage).
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilyrose View Post
    So he and Selina are still going to be a couple? Hmm. I wonder if that IS because he's been directed that it has to be canon with the upcoming Bat/Cat book.
    He's said Selina will be a big part of his run for a while now, I'm glad he decided to work with what Tom has done instead of discarding it.

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    The least they can do after that wretched fake-out. Hopefully Selina gets to have "words" with Holly Robinson over that stunt in this run.
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    "action horror superhero comic book" isn't that just Justice League Dark ?

    I do admire Tynion for wanting to make Batman scary again, although I wonder if part of that is fueled from losing Alfred.

    I also like that it sounds like Bruce as Bruce will be a factor in this run, and we'll see what his civilian life is like with Alfred gone. And he and Selina will be a public couple, something that never seemed to be at all a factor during the engagement.

    I'm getting some 'Tec Tim vibes from Bruce becoming obsessive with fixing everything after Alfred's death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    "action horror superhero comic book" isn't that just Justice League Dark ?

    I do admire Tynion for wanting to make Batman scary again, although I wonder if part of that is fueled from losing Alfred.

    I also like that it sounds like Bruce as Bruce will be a factor in this run, and we'll see what his civilian life is like with Alfred gone. And he and Selina will be a public couple, something that never seemed to be at all a factor during the engagement.

    I'm getting some 'Tec Tim vibes from Bruce becoming obsessive with fixing everything after Alfred's death.
    I don't understand how they can be public without everyone knowing he's Batman though. Because doesn't everyone know she's Catwoman? And that Batman and Catwoman are together? That's a pretty easy 2 + 2

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    A new run focused in Batman and Catwoman??

    OK. I hope that is better than King run or I will leave it quickly..

    Now I understand why some people is not interested in Heroes with couples.. I prefer return with the old batman without girlfriend.

    Nothing against her... Maybe is only Tom King fault that I am a little tired of this batxcat.

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    So, no more detective work?

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    Hope it's better than Tom King's tenure on the title. Any word on who gets the book after Tynion IV short stint?

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    Even if the pitch were interesting it would still be by tynion and mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman Begins 2005 View Post
    Hope it's better than Tom King's tenure on the title. Any word on who gets the book after Tynion IV short stint?
    Tynio's run is not confirmed to be a short stint, that's just what bleeding cool has said. I imagine Tynion just doesn't say otehrwise because Didio wants to make sure his run is actually selling well before having him on the book full time.

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    I hope he talk metaphorically when he says: «Batman is an action horror superhero comic book», because I really hate the stories about zombie and the movies like Saw; for everything else I like what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonPiece View Post
    Tynio's run is not confirmed to be a short stint, that's just what bleeding cool has said. I imagine Tynion just doesn't say otehrwise because Didio wants to make sure his run is actually selling well before having him on the book full time.
    That or it is a short stint.

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    With Selina on his arm, the “Playboy” Bruce is dead. Every waking minute is dedicated to the rebuild of Gotham City, both as Bruce Wayne and as Batman. He is in control of every room he enters, and people are a little frightened of him. He is one of the richest people in the world, and he has experienced so much loss. But it’s clear he’s trying to make the city better. People admire him, because most people in his shoes would have LEFT Gotham a long time ago.
    I don't really like this, though I can see its source. There's no "normal" Bruce. I got annoyed at "Brucie", too. There's no balance, no equal relationships, no friends in his life. I like Bruce trying to make the city better. But I don't want "pathetic Brucie" or "alpha Bruce." I really don't like social acquaintances and the like intimidated by or scared of him.

    He has just faced tremendous failure in the last year of story. He lost his City, and lost his way… But now that he’s back, he has an almost manic intensity. He is going to FIX things. He’s going to make it so nobody like Bane can ever do this to the city again."
    I hope that comes off as unhealthy in the comic as I read it now. As a bad, rather than good, thing.

    I actually like the idea of Bruce/Selina, but hate King's version, so I'm okay with Selina there. I really don't like the "on his arm" instead of "by his side" - I hope it doesn't go from "Selina is the only important figure or source of happiness in Bruce's life" to "Selina is meaningless window-dressing/eye-candy." Sadly, no references to any other family relationships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilyrose View Post
    I don't understand how they can be public without everyone knowing he's Batman though. Because doesn't everyone know she's Catwoman? And that Batman and Catwoman are together? That's a pretty easy 2 + 2
    People were asking about this when the proposal first happened, but King never bothered to address it.

    Heck, the marriage was going to be barely legal because and private anyways.

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