The rumors I have heard suggest that you can’t really interpret the photos exactly as they look. There’s a twist involving who remembers what and whether the reformed reality is quite permanent.
The show is following the comic’s main beats pretty faithfully with twists.
Remember how everybody wakes up in COIE #10 or 11? And they interview Lex in prison who doesn’t remember the Crisis and Earth-2 Superman tries to go back to Earth-2? And Robin-2 and Huntress are still around?
What I’m hearing is like that but different. There’s a Battle at the Dawn of Time with the Spectre.
Things get back to normal but then there’s a final battle.
There’s a moment where it feels like they’ve won and then you get a twist and something very much inspired by COIE #12.
As much as I like Tyler, I have to admit Routh's Superman does just seem to have a much stronger presence and physique for Superman, especially when you look at them side-by-side.
Is it wrong that I felt she had really great chemistry with Routh's Superman?
I felt it was more "gravitas" then "melodramatic," but to each their own .
I feel like they need to give Routh's Superman something after what they did to him, given this is probably the last time we're ever going to see him.And I'm secretly hoping they pull a Kingdom Hearts and have Hoechlin's Superman inherent the "paragon of truth" thing at the last second. Possibility even super charge him with the essence of Routh's Superman as a call back to Reborn in a passing of the baton way. A symbolic gesture to welcome in his new show.
Speeches about hope are pretty Superman too .
I think the real problem with Tyler is it still feels like they're treating him like a Supergirl supporting character. I mean, Lex has had more dialogue with Kara in this crossover then he actually has with his own Superman, and this Lex can't shut up for five minutes about how much he hates Superman.
I wonder if they could somehow merge Hoechlin and Routh's suit into a Reborn costume.
I love it because it actually looks comic-accurate and stands out very well. The old color just looks garish to me now.
I do need to see Superman as the strongest in the league and Earth. He is so powerful he could rule it. The difference is he is a good guy and he can't be corrupted. What makes him stand out for me is his personality and how he does things. He is humble and super nice to people, but he is also a real badass when he has to. That's my Superman.
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A summary of the Superman-related content in the first of the two Walmart tie-in comics, for those who aren't getting that:
spoilers:end of spoilers
Both stories are cowritten by Marc Guggenheim and Marv Wolfman, and are set between episodes 2 and 3 of Crisis. The lead story penciled by Tom Derenick focuses on Pariah and the main Arrowverse stars dealing with one of the Anti-Monitor's plans, but on a Superman-centric basis, as we cut across Earths we see the destruction of Earths N52 (a New 52-inspired universe home to a Justice League in that template) and F (home of the Fleischer Superman), and a battle on Earth D modeled after Wolfman's "Legends of the DC Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths" special - this world too is home to the Justice Alliance, with its version of Superman.
The backup feature penciled by Tom Grummett is the lead as far as Superman content goes. After an odd opening showing a failed breakout seemingly resulting in his death by a classic mad scientist Luthor on Earth-1938 as he tries to answer a mental trans-dimensional summons - likely this will come back around - Cryer's Luthor is sprung from his confinement aboard the Waverider by Gene Hackman's Lex to join a council of Luthors orbiting Earth-99. Including among the crowd clear visual allusions to Earth-2's Alexi, Byrne's Luthor, Silver and Bronze Age Lex's, Lex in his power armor, a Luthor in the golden Alex Luthor armor but clearly still Lex, good 'ol 'Lex Luthor II', and a few who might be Rosenbaum, they plan to take advantage of the Crisis to conqueror their respective worlds and kill the Supermen of the Multiverse. While he previously had the same idea, Cryer's Lex is the only one willing to acknowledge that they've reached the point of simply having to work with Superman and the other heroes (even if he asserts they need to work for him rather than with him) and marches out of the council. Knowing they'll set out to kill him in retaliation - since it's what he'd do to any of them - he goes to Earth 38's Fortress of Solitude and meets Hoechlin's Superman (who oddly has the yellow S-shield on his cape in here) to demand his protection, only for Power Armor Luthor to snatch him away and leave behind a killer robot for Superman to deal with. Clark trashes it quickly - lambasting himself for having wasted a moment returning to the Fortress in the middle of the Crisis in the first place, but it was his first time back on Earth in a year and he wanted to grab a Kryptonian rattle for Jonathan - but just as it occurs to him he'll need help if he's up against an entire cabal of Luthors, the issue closes with an equivalent league of Supermen revealing itself to him, including Kingdom Come Superman (not certain it's Routh), Superwoman, classic Earth-2 Superman, a real Wayne Boring-lookin' fella, Superman immediately after returning from death with the black suit and mullet (maybe the Superman of Earth-75 had a speedy recovery time?), Bizarro, Superman from that time he faked being a future Superman with a gigantic brain but presumably real this time, one with a funky-looking costume I don't quite recognize but looks a bit familiar, a few generic background Supermen, giant red ant head Superman, and Beppo the Super-Monkey!
Buh-bye
I think Tyler is doing fine as Superman but standing next to Routh he looks like a cosplayer. I almost feel bad for him. Not only does Routh have the perfect height and build for Kal but the amazing Kingdom Come suit really makes the CW costume look ever more cheap (those ridiculous gold cape clips aren’t helping).
I really hope this isn’t the last we see of Routh’s Superman. He’s proven to the world that he may be the best man for the role.
I am so grateful for the CW. I have been missing Supes for a while and with things being what they are with the DCEU the CW has really been nailing it with their shows. I hope the films one day get their act together. In the meantime CW is giving me everything I need except of course WW
Your question regarding someone not reading comics? I wasn't answering that. How does it matter. Should these 'experiments' that fall on their face continue or should they allow superman to be super?a Superman is competent and has agency. Hence, the name. He shouldn't be known for moping around, getting ass kicked or losing races, run to ma and pa all the time.it doesn't attract anyone. It just make the character look bad, not complex. There is a difference between the two.
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Sounds like Routh has no plans to play Superman again. Oh well. At least he went out with a great last appearance and left a lot of fans wanting more.
https://www.newsarama.com/48273-bran...te-earths.html
I don't understand why they'd bring him back as Superman and then have him get vaporized by the Book of Destiny before he really gets to do anything. He fought Hoechlin's Superman, attempts some off-screen rescues, and that's it? The paragons are all a CW regulars-only party? Sorry, but that's just a flat out bait-and-switch to me. I don't care if these guys are the regular/recurring characters of the CW-verse, I don't buy all this rewriting things to make whoever has their own shows the main heroes of their DC multiverse at the expense of DC's actual heavy hitters.
Last of all, if they want Hoechlin's Superman to be worth a damn, how about actually making him a paragon? He's getting his own show supposedly, why wouldn't they want to play him up now that he isn't just a Supergirl supporting character?
I do feel like they could've ended up doing a lot more with Routh's Superman then they did, if that was really it for him.
I almost feel bad that he's trying to curb his expectations by assuming this is his last go-around when I feel like audiences would love to see more of his Superman (even with the Planet staff dead, but I feel like they could work around that).
I don't want to harp on another "Kara vs. Kal" argument in terms of their treatment on the CW, but it probably doesn't help Hoechlin's stature that an AU version of him and Kara were Paragons while he wasn't. So he really feels like a tertiary Superman.