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    Default Could mutants help tackle the problem of scarcity?

    The mutant race is full of immensely powerful beings, many of which have enough power to destroy the world. Yet with the situation of Krakoa I wonder why they are going with just drugs and nationalism. What is arguably the primary cause of evolutionary conflict is scarcity. It's probably much more likely that the Neanderthals and Homo erectus died out from less resources rather than being obsolete. If mutants use their powers to usher in a post-scarcity society, then it's possible that the very concept of human and mutant clashes will become obsolete. Can you think up of ways that mutants can tackle the problem of scarcity and why they haven't. I can imagine Omega mutants taking on a job where they can use their powers to make turbines spin, kind of like a mutant power plant. Mutant energy would obviously be quite green with little or no carbon emissions. Mutants should have shifts and comfortable working conditions of course.

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    Scarcity is man made. Man can fix its own mess.

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    Majority of the issues that cause scarcity are created by humans. Now they have no choice but to face the consequences of their actions and mutantkind has no obligation to help the savages. At this point, mutantkind wouldn't stand to gain anything by aiding humanity at this point. Humans offer nothing that mutantkind needs in the current age.
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    When they had the power, Mutants tried to tackle these types of problems and more. The Avengers stopped them with the help of Wakanda. Not sure why they'd try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Fang X View Post
    Majority of the issues that cause scarcity are created by humans. Now they have no choice but to face the consequences of their actions and mutantkind has no obligation to help the savages. At this point, mutantkind wouldn't stand to gain anything by aiding humanity at this point. Humans offer nothing that mutantkind needs in the current age.
    The Phoenix Five TRIED to fix the world and only got antagonized for it. As long as individuals like the Avengers are there to uphold the statu quo there will always be poverty and famine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    The Phoenix Five TRIED to fix the world and only got antagonized for it. As long as individuals like the Avengers are there to uphold the statu quo there will always be poverty and famine.
    In other words: Mutantkind needs Onslaught to make that comeback and wipe the Avengers from the face of the Earth, again.


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    They could help fix things. But it would require someone standing by to watch the writers and whenever one tried to have something stupid like "but they're also evil at the same time" or "villain has been involved all along and uses the goodwill as some evil scheme everyone blames mutants for"...they spray them with a water bottle or smack them with something.

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    Sure, mutant powers defy the laws of physics: all this power coming out of nowhere without any undesirable consequences… The problem we have today is the way we use energy, like it will be there forever. We have acquired some habits that are troublesome in the long run. So, it's true it would be nice to have some "Deus ex machina" that will help to solve the problems we create, however, it's our way of living who needs to be changed, one that is more respectful of the natural cycles. Such awareness, it's beyond the mutants can do… not without mind control (which is bad, of course).
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    The thing that has me concerned with mutants helping with scarcity is that the humans would likely find a way to quantify certain mutant abilities (energy output, elementals, psychics). This would inevitably lead to weaponizing said mutants and their abilities.
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    They could, but they shouldn't. The last time they tried, Obama and Tony Stark got mad at the fact that they basically fixed the world and sent a special unit of Avengers to kidnap Hope to try and stop them. If mutants display that much power, humans will attack, plain and simple.

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    It's why Bruce Banner/Immortal Hulk wants to smash it all. Humanity had the tools and means to prevent its own destruction, but chose the path of selfish avarice, lust for power, and bigotry over its own long-term good. If humans want some superhero to help save them from what they've wrought upon themselves, why not have Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Hank Pym (assuming he's finally separated from Ultron and given an avenue to redemption), and T'Challa, among other geniuses not associated with the X-Men or Krakoa, finally put their intelligence to work preserving and uplifting human society instead of allowing an untenable status quo that'll only fester and decay even more?
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    no point cuz daddy namor wouldn't be there to commit genocide
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    The problem is not whether mutants or X-men can help humanity but whether humans want or will allow mutants to do so? It's not just about AvX, several heroes have already tried to transform the world around them to help humanity just to be rejected or failed due to human nature. This is because change is never easy and comes at a cost which many are not willing to pay.

    And it's not just mutants see for example Wakanda they could help to improve the human condition in many ways but due to human nature they prefer to take care of their own problems and the only time Wakanda tried to change that and offer help for other countries all they thought was about stealing their technology and their resources.

    Taking this to the real world considering how much food is wasted and the number of people starving in the world if all countries set aside their differences this problem would be solved. There is no limit to what humanity can achieve by working together, but we cannot do it for a variety of reasons.

    Strangely, humanity is capable of uniting against an enemy to the point of creating killer giant robots or atomic bombs but not so much as to end world hunger or end the fossil fuel dependence .

    And even if mutants could help why should they? Humans keep trying to kill them in all cruel ways.

    The drug Xavier gave them is just to buy time. This truce will not last and eventually when humanity no longer needs the drug they will not need to honor their agreement with the mutants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knives View Post
    The problem is not whether mutants or X-men can help humanity but whether humans want or will allow mutants to do so? It's not just about AvX, several heroes have already tried to transform the world around them to help humanity just to be rejected or failed due to human nature. This is because change is never easy and comes at a cost which many are not willing to pay.

    And it's not just mutants see for example Wakanda they could help to improve the human condition in many ways but due to human nature they prefer to take care of their own problems and the only time Wakanda tried to change that and offer help for other countries all they thought was about stealing their technology and their resources.

    Taking this to the real world considering how much food is wasted and the number of people starving in the world if all countries set aside their differences this problem would be solved. There is no limit to what humanity can achieve by working together, but we cannot do it for a variety of reasons.

    Strangely, humanity is capable of uniting against an enemy to the point of creating killer giant robots or atomic bombs but not so much as to end world hunger or end the fossil fuel dependence .

    And even if mutants could help why should they? Humans keep trying to kill them in all cruel ways.

    The drug Xavier gave them is just to buy time. This truce will not last and eventually when humanity no longer needs the drug they will not need to honor their agreement with the mutants.

    I agree with the first half of your point, but not the second; I think if bigoted attitudes were properly addressed, challenged and proven wrong then that negates a lot of incentive to hold animosity against mutant kind, especially if, in the interim, the mutant birth-rate is left unchallenged. On a sociological level, people are better able to see mutants not as a societial problem or something that'll get their babies killed, but simply as...something. A movement, perhaps, similar to LGBT+ rights or autistic and other disability acceptance.

    I don't think it's quite as clear-cut as humans automatically hating a mutant on-sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll View Post
    I agree with the first half of your point, but not the second; I think if bigoted attitudes were properly addressed, challenged and proven wrong then that negates a lot of incentive to hold animosity against mutant kind, especially if, in the interim, the mutant birth-rate is left unchallenged. On a sociological level, people are better able to see mutants not as a societial problem or something that'll get their babies killed, but simply as...something. A movement, perhaps, similar to LGBT+ rights or autistic and other disability acceptance.

    I don't think it's quite as clear-cut as humans automatically hating a mutant on-sight.
    Although comparisons can be made between members biased for social differences, skin color or sexual choice and mutants there is a difference between them. In the marvel universe mutants will replace humans if something doesn't change it so humans' fear of mutants is not just ignorance. Prejudice-driven ignorants cannot create weapons of mass destruction and commit genocide only governments and scientists can.

    If one side will gradually be replaced by another quickly, it is possible that change will not create problems but if the change happens in decades or hundreds of years then there is a good chance that those to be replaced will try to avoid it by all available means .

    For some mutants are those who will end humanity.

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