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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkling View Post
    Is obsessed with the idea that Stark and Rogers want to destroy the mutants.
    I think the thinking more that every non-mutant character since Timely started publication is out to destroy mutants, and that they should be killed and their stuff given to mutants as their rightful inheritance

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkling View Post
    Now that you mention it. Someone will address that Arno Stark has created his own version of the Krakoa resurrection system and he has resurrected Howard and Maria ? Given that the resurrection thing is supposed to be a major plot point in the mutants statu quo its funny to see a Stark do it better.
    He based it off the "biotechnological reboot" thing that Tony did to himself to recover from his would-have-otherwise-been-fatal injuries at the end of Civil War II and then to Rhodey to bring him back from outright being killed at the beginning of Civil War II in the finale of Brian Bendis's Invincible Iron Man. Of course, as of more recent issues of Tony Stark: Iron Man, this has caused some serious doubts (in Tony himself and others around him) as to whether or not Tony is the "same" person he was before that, or if he even counts as a person at all anymore. Currently, Tony seems to believe he's a clone of himself, in much the same way Peter Parker once thought during the 90s Clone Saga, and speaking of resurrection via cloning, there's always getting the Jackal and/or Ben Reilly involved vis-à-vis The Clone Conspiracy.
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    At this point Tony stark and Jean should bound about getting killed often

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    I think things need to be a bit more smooth before trying to build more bridges. The murder of Xavier and the measures taken in response need to be properly addressed and Krakoa needs to be on a safer place before inviting more humans into the island. 33 mutants died in X-Force and you can never be too safe when it comes to human-mutant relations.

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    Even setting aside the humans, surely Krakoa could reach out to other splinter-breeds. The Eternals are (temporarily) dead and the Inhumans are in hiding (though Utollan and Sky-Island might be more amenable than Ennilux); that still leaves Deviants, Lemurians, Bestials and Atlanteans to reach out to.

    And speaking of Iron Man, shouldn’t they approach the emergent AI revolution and try and head-off Orchis (or worse, Mother Mould’s escaped programming) suborning they first

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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post
    Even setting aside the humans, surely Krakoa could reach out to other splinter-breeds. The Eternals are (temporarily) dead and the Inhumans are in hiding (though Utollan and Sky-Island might be more amenable than Ennilux); that still leaves Deviants, Lemurians, Bestials and Atlanteans to reach out to.

    And speaking of Iron Man, shouldn’t they approach the emergent AI revolution and try and head-off Orchis (or worse, Mother Mould’s escaped programming) suborning they first
    Considering Mother Mold had no more love for humans than she did mutants, judging them both to be "wanting," I could see going after the AI, especially in light of future humanity as depicted in Powers of X integrating or enhancing their bodies with technology (and experiments in real life aiming toward that as well), as a key objective for the X-Men. Hmm, speaking of AI, what about Danger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Considering Mother Mold had no more love for humans than she did mutants, judging them both to be "wanting," I could see going after the AI, especially in light of future humanity as depicted in Powers of X integrating or enhancing their bodies with technology (and experiments in real life aiming toward that as well), as a key objective for the X-Men. Hmm, speaking of AI, what about Danger?
    She cant be in Krakoa thats for sure, right know they are doing regular EMPs in the island. That would kill her.

    About the AI issue in the Slott Iron Man most robots only want to have rights and be considered people, in the current MU they are not even considered alive, just things. Eliminate them would be like humans eliminating all mutants because they fear what would become

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkling View Post
    She cant be in Krakoa thats for sure, right know they are doing regular EMPs in the island. That would kill her.

    About the AI issue in the Slott Iron Man most robots only want to have rights and be considered people, in the current MU they are not even considered alive, just things. Eliminate them would be like humans eliminating all mutants because they fear what would become
    Good point, actually, though given the past and present actions of Ultron, it would make sense for humans to fear AI as much as they do mutants, if we can blame Magneto for the fear of mutants being so widespread and deep-seated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    Agreed we should have more interactions with the wider MU:

    Tony Stark replacing Shaw as #1 sentinel manufacturer in the world and leader of the Hellfire Club.
    Steve Rogers: director of Weapon Plus/Weapon-X
    When theyre done annexing Otherworld, Excalibur can set their sight on Asgard. I think Apocalypse has some beef with Thor.
    Why do you like seeing the X-men fail so badly? For otensibly being a supporter of Krakoa, you sure want them to get dunked on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRaymond View Post
    O5 teen gay Iceman should’ve stayed in the present and become an Amazing Friend of Miles Morales.
    I love that idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post
    Even setting aside the humans, surely Krakoa could reach out to other splinter-breeds. The Eternals are (temporarily) dead and the Inhumans are in hiding (though Utollan and Sky-Island might be more amenable than Ennilux); that still leaves Deviants, Lemurians, Bestials and Atlanteans to reach out to.
    Atlantis is a bummer because Namor is such a schizo and unreliable ally, but the New Men of Wundagore (assuming their are even any left alive), the sorcerous community of New Salem (perhaps interacted with through magically-ept mutants like Ilyanna, Pixie or Wiz Kid, or magical 'allies' like Amanda Sefton/Jimaine Szardos), the Sub-Terrans and the Deviants (generally as mishappen as Morlocks and as 'feared and hated' as any mutant) would make interesting allies.

    Ditto some of the tribes of the Savage Land (particularly the one dominated by Magneto's 'savage land mutates').

    And speaking of Iron Man, shouldn’t they approach the emergent AI revolution and try and head-off Orchis (or worse, Mother Mould’s escaped programming) suborning they first
    It would be interesting if Forge created sort of a counter-AI all about sniffing out and foiling the operations of AI opposed to mutant interests.

    Or if the Cuckoos created a telepathic 'AI' composed of gestalt consciousness, and infected humanity with it. They have their normal conscious existences, but deep within them, a telepathic 'program' is running, using the latent psi potential of millions of humans exposed to the meme to 'run itself' in the background, subtly tweaking them away from mutant-phobic beliefs or actions... As infected humans interact with uninfected humans, the memetic telepathic virus spreads, and within a few days, is all over the planet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handsome men don't lose fights View Post
    Why do you like seeing the X-men fail so badly? For otensibly being a supporter of Krakoa, you sure want them to get dunked on.
    Considering the damage Civil War II and Secret Empire did to comics sales in general, I really doubt Marvel would survive a line wide hero v hero throwdown event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post
    Considering the damage Civil War II and Secret Empire did to comics sales in general, I really doubt Marvel would survive a line wide hero v hero throwdown event.
    Secret Empire was a hero v villain event that saved all of comicsdom and realigned the heavenly order of angels with the celestial cathedral of our solar system.
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    No. I would prefer we saw more mutants featured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king of hybrids View Post
    Considering the damage Civil War II and Secret Empire did to comics sales in general, I really doubt Marvel would survive a line wide hero v hero throwdown event.
    The problem with Civil War II was trying to argue "both sides have good points" like in the original Civil War when the "wrong side" had a much less defensible position (let's lock people up for s*** they haven't done yet) compared to the original (let's hold superpowered people who wanna be or play heroes accountable to be trained and disciplined and lessen the chance of another superpowered catastrophe). Secret Empire's problem was turning Captain America into a double agent for HYDRA who may or may not have orchestrated Bruce Banner's death in Civil War II and having him lead a fascist takeover of the United States that was actually welcomed by a lot of the citizenry and public that had gotten sick of the superheroes' infighting and ineffectiveness at actually protecting them. While both arguably raised good points about the moral failings of the superhero community in the Marvel Universe, they came at the cost of yet more superhero infighting that caused mass death and devastation for innocent bystanders and ultimately accomplished nothing but making the heroes feel bad for a while, though changing little in the long run. In a nutshell, both event storylines, in rather quick succession relating to each other, went in on the premise that the superheroes people in-universe and in real life looked to were actually seriously horrible excuses for people, let alone heroes, and as it turned out, a lot of (possibly former) readers and fans weren't there for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Secret Empire was a hero v villain event that saved all of comicsdom and realigned the heavenly order of angels with the celestial cathedral of our solar system.
    Yes, HYDRA-Cap was a villain, but until the final issue and its epilogue, it was assumed he was Captain America himself, turned against his former comrades and ideals by the magic of the Cosmic Cube, and leading his own "Avengers" task force composed of villains, brainwashed/possessed former heroes, and Thor, who was pretty much blackmailed with Jane Foster's life to get him there.
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