To be honest, I'd love to see X-Men connect with more non-mutant characters

[Kisinith]

Seriously? We are 2 freaking issues in, exploring the new status quo of the mutants. So far we've had positive interactions with family and friends (Starjammers, Shogo, the Braddocks), friendly(ish) with the Fantastic Four and they announced a new comic to explore that dynamic more fully; and people are actually complaining that its not enough? What more do they need? Maybe Marvel needs to publish some non-mutant books to explore the lives of non-mutants in the MU as this is clearly an not being given enough attention in the mutant themed books...

Yeah the general assumption right now I have is human children would be allowed on Krakoa , frankly it'd be troubling otherwise ...
Human associates/allies ought to be permitted (all the ones from the Claremont era for example).

Shogo (non-mutant human child of Jubilee lives on Krakoa, Brian Braddock (human family/friend/ally) was personally invited to come to visit by Apocalypse before events in Excalibur ratcheted up.

Sarcasm aside, I want to reiterate that we are only 2 issues in. If we get two years in and we don't see anymore then maybe its time for a complaint or two, now like most of the criticisms the run has been receiving its absurdly premature and ignoring that its been refuted on the page.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Selene earned her amnesty when she flushed Hydra cap. Even godhood obsessed egotists know what you do with a nazi.

[spirit2011]

Seriously? We are 2 freaking issues in, exploring the new status quo of the mutants. So far we've had positive interactions with family and friends (Starjammers, Shogo, the Braddocks), friendly(ish) with the Fantastic Four and they announced a new comic to explore that dynamic more fully; and people are actually complaining that its not enough? What more do they need? Maybe Marvel needs to publish some non-mutant books to explore the lives of non-mutants in the MU as this is clearly an not being given enough attention in the mutant themed books...



Shogo (non-mutant human child of Jubilee lives on Krakoa, Brian Braddock (human family/friend/ally) was personally invited to come to visit by Apocalypse before events in Excalibur ratcheted up.

Brain Braddock was invited because apocalypse needed him and he even said that he would guaratee Braddock secutirty. Doesn't look like a human friendly ambient

[PsychoEFrost]

Selene earned her amnesty when she flushed Hydra cap. Even godhood obsessed egotists know what you do with a nazi.

But people on this site keep saying that if you punch a Nazi, you're every bit as bad as they are. They couldn't be wrong, could they?

[Kisinith]

Brain Braddock was invited because apocalypse needed him and he even said that he would guaratee Braddock secutirty. Doesn't look like a human friendly ambient

He was still invited, and the guarantee of safety could have been as much about working with Apocalypse (who has a bit of a reputation) as it was for anything else. Its also still a friendly positive interaction with the mutants and Krakoa.

[AdamFTF]

What about some of the old human allies the X-Men used to have? Peter Corbeau, Stevie Hunter, Mariko Yashida, Tom Corsi, Trish Tilby, Charlotte Jones, etc. Have we seen any of them lately?

[spirit2011]

What about some of the old human allies the X-Men used to have? Peter Corbeau, Stevie Hunter, Mariko Yashida, Tom Corsi, Trish Tilby, Charlotte Jones, etc. Have we seen any of them lately?

mariko Yashida was on old man logan and now forgotten again

[Huntsman Spider]

What about some of the old human allies the X-Men used to have? Peter Corbeau, Stevie Hunter, Mariko Yashida, Tom Corsi, Trish Tilby, Charlotte Jones, etc. Have we seen any of them lately?

Stevie Hunter was last seen as a Congresswoman in X-Men Gold, and she unfortunately couldn't get much done in there. As for Trish Tilby, after the breakup and falling-out she had with Hank McCoy, I'm not sure she would be that much of an ally, unless I've gotten her confused with someone else.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Seriously? We are 2 freaking issues in, exploring the new status quo of the mutants. So far we've had positive interactions with family and friends (Starjammers, Shogo, the Braddocks), friendly(ish) with the Fantastic Four and they announced a new comic to explore that dynamic more fully; and people are actually complaining that its not enough? What more do they need? Maybe Marvel needs to publish some non-mutant books to explore the lives of non-mutants in the MU as this is clearly an not being given enough attention in the mutant themed books...



Shogo (non-mutant human child of Jubilee lives on Krakoa, Brian Braddock (human family/friend/ally) was personally invited to come to visit by Apocalypse before events in Excalibur ratcheted up.

Sarcasm aside, I want to reiterate that we are only 2 issues in. If we get two years in and we don't see anymore then maybe its time for a complaint or two, now like most of the criticisms the run has been receiving its absurdly premature and ignoring that its been refuted on the page.

And yet you seem to ignore the following:

How Jubilee was terrified of Apocalypse being left alone with Shogo, her own nightmares outright stating how he'd find "A human hiding within mutant paradise," and, as such, wouldn't leave her baby alone with him. She has no reason to trust Apocalypse, nor, by insinuation, the idea that humans might be welcome amongst Krakoa as you seem to believe. While not outright evidence that "All mutants hate humans", it is something to ponder.

And even then, it doesn't account for what the broader regards to 'humans' as a supposed separate species are in relation to mutants.


Additionally, the tone set shouldn't be amongst criticism regardless of how many 'issues' we're in. We've had 6 issues of set-up, if that didn't do anything to explain the tone that we should be perceiving in regards to mutant/human relations then it is a fault on the writer and is not amongst criticism, especially considering it's a monthly set up. Unlike, say, a novel, we do not have the luxury of reading the whole damn thing in one sitting--the choices made should be absolutely open to critique as we receive them because, basically, it's a totally different format.

Even one panel addressing how we got from A to B would help readers properly gauge what they're supposed to be picking up in regards to what Hickman wants to communicate; you cannot deride fans for wanting that clarification, if only because it might help better inform characters' voices.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

But people on this site keep saying that if you punch a Nazi, you're every bit as bad as they are. They couldn't be wrong, could they?

No one is saying that at all. What people are worried about is as follows; If an innocent is the same race/species as those who have committed atrocities, are they to be judged the exact same or what they might yet accomplish in contrast to these old ideas?

[PsychoEFrost]

No one is saying that at all. What people are worried about is as follows; If an innocent is the same race/species as those who have committed atrocities, are they to be judged the exact same or what they might yet accomplish in contrast to these old ideas?

Really? Because there are at least two people on this site who said exactly what I said they did: "If you use violence against a Nazi, you're as bad as a Nazi".

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

Really? Because there are at least two people on this site who said exactly what I said they did: "If you use violence against a Nazi, you're as bad as a Nazi".

Show me the quotes; I can't and won't judge without proper context.

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

But people on this site keep saying that if you punch a Nazi, you're every bit as bad as they are. They couldn't be wrong, could they?

There's a distinct difference between fighting your enemies and adopting their worst traits. If you allow moral relativism and tit for tat reactionism to influence your decision making, then your problems will never end.

[Tycon]

Show me the quotes; I can't and won't judge without proper context.

Here ya go:

Your basically saying Death to all Nazi's. How is that any different then "Death to the Jews" ?

[Handsome men don't lose fights]

Here ya go:

Wow, that's bad. I don't know that guy.