Stargirl TV Show

[The Darknight Detective]

Pat has newspaper articles of his exploits. They were publicly known.

Right. They weren't working in the shadows, so the idea that they weren't household names is preposterous.

[Kirby101]

Looks like Brainwave Jr, is really, most sincerely dead. Wow that was a strong episode. One thing, if the JSA Jr. couldn't beat Brainwave alone, with BW Jr. helping them, what chance do they have against the full ISA?

[beatboks]

Pat has newspaper articles of his exploits. They were publicly known.

The newspaper articles of his exploits all look golden age. As I said the post crisis continuity had the JSA etc go undergound in the mid 50s early 60s. I even said

that the heroes of the JSA were only openly active in the GA to the 50's or 60's

which the newspaper articles support and would still make it reasonable for someone of the generations of Barbera and Courtney to not openly know of them.

Barbara had to google Starman, clearly if his exploits had been openly public around the timenof his death when she was a young mother that wouldnt have been necessary, and yet it was. She wouldnt however have been aware (as someone who was likely born in the 80s) of Star Spangled Kid and Stripesy from the 40s as they (by Pat's admittion) werent as well known as the JSA.

Possible time line could be

JSA and 7 soldiers in the 40s (confirmed by midnite AI for Midnite and Pat knowing all about Ito from WWII)

JSA get investigated by committee for unamerican activities as per the America vs the JSA mini series and go underground.

JSA go into ragnorak as per last days of the JSA also in the 60s and come out in the late 90s early 2000s (effectively skipping 40 years of aging).

JSA find out about 7 soldiers lost in time and go save then to a year or so after returning from ragnorak. Since the 7 soldiers disappeared a decade and a half before the JSA went underground they are young compared to the other JSAers.

Nothing I suggested is in amy way conflicted by anything thus far shown in the series but it does explain the contradictions. It explains why the kids would have to look up Wildcat's powers/abilities and why Barbara would have to google Starman while still giving credence to those newspaper clippings

[beatboks]

Right. They weren't working in the shadows, so the idea that they weren't household names is preposterous.

The idea that they were household names is preposterous when a woman who was fully grown and a mother of a 6 year old during their time had to google one of them 10 years later.

[The Darknight Detective]

The newspaper articles of his exploits all look golden age. As I said the post crisis continuity had the JSA etc go undergound in the mid 50s early 60s. I even said

This was discussed a few weeks ago. The newspaper is clearly from the past twenty years (color ink and a modern car are dead giveaways).

[The Darknight Detective]

The idea that they were household names is preposterous when a woman who was fully grown and a mother of a 6 year old during their time had to google one of them 10 years later.

Which is PIS, of course. Sloppy writing, IMO.

[Frontier]

What is wrong with her googling Starman? She just wanted to look at a picture of him for reference.

Although even in the picture, Sylvester's face was shadowed out so they were still "mystery men" for the most part.

[MiddleMan]

Im thinking the ISA managed to somehow scrub some memory of the JSA out of peoples heads

like not a full wipe, but like a memory you cant quite get the whole of

[KabutoRyder]

Looks like Brainwave Jr, is really, most sincerely dead. Wow that was a strong episode. One thing, if the JSA Jr. couldn't beat Brainwave alone, with BW Jr. helping them, what chance do they have against the full ISA?

A jaw dropping moment for sure. I remember when season one of Heroes would give us those like every time.

My only issue with the episode and what I think is the first and worst narrative misstep of the season was the ignoring of the fact that Henry seized the lawyer. Like no mention at all. Not cool at all. So much good stuff otherwise in the episode.

[The Darknight Detective]

What is wrong with her googling Starman? She just wanted to look at a picture of him for reference.

Although even in the picture, Sylvester's face was shadowed out so they were still "mystery men" for the most part.

I have zero problem with that for those reasons, FWIW. My problem is with anybody not knowing about the JSA by the time they're in kindergarten. Unless magic or some advanced technology is involved to eliminate them from people's memories, no Jedi mind trick will ever make me think it's credible.

BTW, I should say I think the show is great regardless.

[kcekada]

Looks like Brainwave Jr, is really, most sincerely dead. Wow that was a strong episode. One thing, if the JSA Jr. couldn't beat Brainwave alone, with BW Jr. helping them, what chance do they have against the full ISA?

After seeing the episode and Henry's final words to Courtney and crew --- it came across as a finale, sadly.

Probably the most feasible way to bring him back (and i think they should) would be that his father saved him -- with plans to mentally recondition him. So if he does come back, he will be with the bad guys (at least until he can break free of daddy's control over him). But as others have said, it seems they don't want anyone to overshadow Stargirl-- and if he does come back -- it will probably be in a limited capacity.

I was thinking if they do bring on a Green Lantern replacement (hopefully jade), the powerset will probably be limited to casting green glame -- not creating solid light images or even flying. And forget Fury or Power Girl -- they have their strong guy in Hourman. Sandy/Sandman seems like a good possibility.

[mortari]

In the comics Brainwave's thing was to make you Think a disaster happened. so you could tell what was really happening. I would use that as the out.

[kcekada]

A jaw dropping moment for sure. I remember when season one of Heroes would give us those like every time.

My only issue with the episode and what I think is the first and worst narrative misstep of the season was the ignoring of the fact that Henry seized the lawyer. Like no mention at all. Not cool at all. So much good stuff otherwise in the episode.

I'm sure if he had lived, that death(?) would have been discussed. I don't know that he was intentionally trying to kill the lawyer or just attack him. We may never know.

[KabutoRyder]

After seeing the episode and Henry's final words to Courtney and crew --- it came across as a finale, sadly.

Probably the most feasible way to bring him back (and i think they should) would be that his father saved him -- with plans to mentally recondition him. So if he does come back, he will be with the bad guys (at least until he can break free of daddy's control over him). But as others have said, it seems they don't want anyone to overshadow Stargirl-- and if he does come back -- it will probably be in a limited capacity.

I was thinking if they do bring on a Green Lantern replacement (hopefully jade), the powerset will probably be limited to casting green glame -- not creating solid light images or even flying. And forget Fury or Power Girl -- they have their strong guy in Hourman. Sandy/Sandman seems like a good possibility.

They need to bring in another team member. Have Beth be the Person in the Chair that every team has, to give them technical knowledge, have Chuck do the magical plot specific hacking stuff with her rarely, if ever, going out into the field. And bring in another active hero to go out on missions.

[MiddleMan]

They need to bring in another team member. Have Beth be the Person in the Chair that every team has, to give them technical knowledge, have Chuck do the magical plot specific hacking stuff with her rarely, if ever, going out into the field. And bring in another active hero to go out on missions.

it would be interesting to see Sand/Sandy