In what way is Krakoa like a cult?

[Icefanatic]

In movies, comics, there is a "dialogue" between the author and the reader/viewer. The reader expects some things to happen and the author either gives them or denies them. Hickcock was very good with that. But to do that, you must guide your reader and lead him/her to the places you prepare for him/her.
The fact there is so much divergence between the readers means Hickman haven't completely succeed in doing what he wanted: either it's a cult or it is not. He must have decided previously… and set up things accordingly.

My thinking is he wants the divided fandom to be heavily invested in both possibilities, then you get the reveal. This generates MAXIMUM controversy and anger the whole way, which seems to be the most important thing for a story for Marvel, and has been for years.

[Domino_Dare-Doll]

My thinking is he wants the divided fandom to be heavily invested in both possibilities, then you get the reveal. This generates MAXIMUM controversy and anger the whole way, which seems to be the most important thing for a story for Marvel, and has been for years.

That doesn't really take into consideration piracy, though. Sometimes you get the kinds of fans who want to see what's happening but don't want to fork out the extra couple of quid for it (which, if you've got big pull lists already...ehh, controversial.) A trend that still continues through apathetic fans who have seen what's going on but still choose to pirate because they don't necessarily want Marvel to get their money for the direction.

It's an...iffy one...

[jwatson]

When mutants are being forced to live in Krakoa and have children against their will or be forced to believe in a God or person without question or when Krakoa's laws say that mutants must kill humans I will start to worry .

Until then the party continues.

Man some people just can't see minorities being happy .

It is as if they are saying that mutants cannot have a culture or beliefs or cannot be happy without the help of humans who have hunted and killed them for years.

Personally I see no difference from Krakoa's beliefs to Catholics or any other religion in the world. But hey they are mutants how dare they have different beliefs than humans ?

Some could even say fandom in of itself is a bit cultish definitely more so than the X-Men from what I have seen

[Devaishwarya]

Some could even say fandom in of itself is a bit cultish definitely more so than the X-Men from what I have seen

WE are the true "Cultists".

[Devaishwarya]

That doesn't really take into consideration piracy, though. Sometimes you get the kinds of fans who want to see what's happening but don't want to fork out the extra couple of quid for it (which, if you've got big pull lists already...ehh, controversial.) A trend that still continues through apathetic fans who have seen what's going on but still choose to pirate because they don't necessarily want Marvel to get their money for the direction.

It's an...iffy one...

Personally, as a reader for 30+years I am never "outraged" by what's in my comics. (if I was...I would think there is something seriously wrong with my mental and emotional state)
More specifically, I'm either interested/entertained or not interested/apathetic.
And if I feel the latter then I just don't buy, regardless of what anyone says.
I do realise though, I may be one of a small subset of comic book readers/collectors.

[pkingdom]

'Controversy sells' makes sense. Heroes in Crisis sold really well despite being utterly reviled and getting savaged by reviewers. But I also see a LOT of people say in response to those stories 'just pirate it'. Soooooooooooooo......yeah

[spirit2011]

'Controversy sells' makes sense. Heroes in Crisis sold really well despite being utterly reviled and getting savaged by reviewers. But I also see a LOT of people say in response to those stories 'just pirate it'. Soooooooooooooo......yeah

it didn't sold more than doomsday clock or Metal, it did the usual numbers for events people don't care much

I wouldn't say controversy sells, at least not on the big run

That doesn't really take into consideration piracy, though. Sometimes you get the kinds of fans who want to see what's happening but don't want to fork out the extra couple of quid for it (which, if you've got big pull lists already...ehh, controversial.) A trend that still continues through apathetic fans who have seen what's going on but still choose to pirate because they don't necessarily want Marvel to get their money for the direction.

It's an...iffy one...

Just remember Austen that got booted from comics after massive fan reaction.

Controversy is good to keep the name on peoples mouths, but sometimes it can be too much

[Frostbite883]

Plus they just ended Uncanny with the revelation that Emma Frost was mind controlling half the X-men into taking out her enemies for her, while X-man had them all in a fantasy based around psuedo religious worship of himself and mutantkind. Its kind of odd they'd be so gung-ho about this so quickly.

Do you think the House of X/Powers of X stuff might be another of X-Man's reality warping shenanigans at work here?

[Triniking1234]

Do you think the House of X/Powers of X stuff might be another of X-Man's reality warping shenanigans at work here?

no

10000char

[Devaishwarya]

Do you think the House of X/Powers of X stuff might be another of X-Man's reality warping shenanigans at work here?

UGH!
Please don't add kerosene into the conspiracy mania dumpster fire...the boards are already rife with too many doom-and-gloom threads as it is.

[pkingdom]

Do you think the House of X/Powers of X stuff might be another of X-Man's reality warping shenanigans at work here?

I think that would only be the case via retcon if this relaunch royally tanks, which is very very unlikely. Hickman has stated he has a 'back door' built into the premise if that's the case, which is likely Moira's 11th life. But again, the relaunch has been financially successful, so its extremely unlikely.

[Icefanatic]

That doesn't really take into consideration piracy, though. Sometimes you get the kinds of fans who want to see what's happening but don't want to fork out the extra couple of quid for it (which, if you've got big pull lists already...ehh, controversial.) A trend that still continues through apathetic fans who have seen what's going on but still choose to pirate because they don't necessarily want Marvel to get their money for the direction.

It's an...iffy one...

'Controversy sells' makes sense. Heroes in Crisis sold really well despite being utterly reviled and getting savaged by reviewers. But I also see a LOT of people say in response to those stories 'just pirate it'. Soooooooooooooo......yeah

I think the mystery elements are keeping many people invested to a degree they otherwise wouldn't be, in an event where those same people are not liking the depiction of characters or the overall story. I see a lot of those fans talking of turning to piracy, many of them fans who normally would not engage in it. I'll be curios to see where the sales are in a few months with a lot of those fans either turning to pirating or just rejecting the event/direction entirely.

[hulkling]

I think that would only be the case via retcon if this relaunch royally tanks, which is very very unlikely. Hickman has stated he has a 'back door' built into the premise if that's the case, which is likely Moira's 11th life. But again, the relaunch has been financially successful, so its extremely unlikely.

Is it? I mean the sales are good but many people thought that this was going to be a massive hit and the sales are pretty normal for a relaunch.

[ermac]

WE are the true "Cultists".

that's kind of true

[LordUltimus]

Is it? I mean the sales are good but many people thought that this was going to be a massive hit and the sales are pretty normal for a relaunch.

And there you go. Sales are "normal", not "horrible" or even "bad".