X-Men line-ups: note them

**mugiwara** · 12-09-2019, 03:03 AM

Giving bonus points and minus points to the members of the teams, which one has the best score?
How does that compare to how much you loved or hated the comics so far?

Excalibur = -2
Apocalypse (-1), Captain Britain (0), Gambit (-1), Jubilee (+1), Rictor (0), Rogue (-1)

Fallen Angels = 0
Bling! (-1), Cable (-1), Husk (+1), Psylocke (0), X-23 (+1)

Hellions = -4
Empath (-2), Havok (-2), Mr Sinister (-1), Nanny (+1) Orphan Maker (+1), Psylocke (0), Scalphunter (-1), Wildchild (0)

Marrauders = -6
Bishop (0), Iceman (-2), Pyro (0), Shadowcat (-2), Storm (-2), White Queen (0)

New Mutants = 14
Chamber (+1), Cypher (+1), Karma (+1), Magik (+3), Mirage (+2), Mondo (+1), Sunspot (+3), Wolfsbane (+2)

X-Force = -11
Beast (-2), Black Tom (0), Colossus (-2), Domino (+1), Jean Grey (-3), Kid Omega (-3), Sage (+1), Wolverine (-3)

So, my line-up ranking would be:
New Mutants > Fallen Angels > Excalibur > Hellions > Marrauders > X-Force

Comparing to how much I enjoyed the series:
New Mutants = X-Force > Marrauders > Excalibur > Fallen Angels

Yep, X-Force had no right to be so good.

**JasmineW** · 12-09-2019, 06:09 AM

Why is Betsy on 0 and Storm is on-2? That doesn't make any sense to me.

**mugiwara** · 12-09-2019, 06:15 AM

The scores are 100 % based on subjective preferences.

**Magneto** · 12-09-2019, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by JasmineW

Why is Betsy on 0 and Storm is on-2? That doesn't make any sense to me.

OP doesn't like Storm and is neutral to Betsy. Simple.

**jwatson** · 12-09-2019, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by mugiwara

Giving bonus points and minus points to the members of the teams, which one has the best score?
How does that compare to how much you loved or hated the comics so far?

Excalibur = -2
Apocalypse (-1), Captain Britain (0), Gambit (-1), Jubilee (+1), Rictor (0), Rogue (-1)

Fallen Angels = 0
Bling! (-1), Cable (-1), Husk (+1), Psylocke (0), X-23 (+1)

Hellions = -4
Empath (-2), Havok (-2), Mr Sinister (-1), Nanny (+1) Orphan Maker (+1), Psylocke (0), Scalphunter (-1), Wildchild (0)

Marrauders = -6
Bishop (0), Iceman (-2), Pyro (0), Shadowcat (-2), Storm (-2), White Queen (0)

New Mutants = 14
Chamber (+1), Cypher (+1), Karma (+1), Magik (+3), Mirage (+2), Mondo (+1), Sunspot (+3), Wolfsbane (+2)

X-Force = -11
Beast (-2), Black Tom (0), Colossus (-2), Domino (+1), Jean Grey (-3), Kid Omega (-3), Sage (+1), Wolverine (-3)

So, my line-up ranking would be:
New Mutants > Fallen Angels > Excalibur > Hellions > Marrauders > X-Force

Comparing to how much I enjoyed the series:
New Mutants = X-Force > Marrauders > Excalibur > Fallen Angels

Yep, X-Force had no right to be so good.

This thread doesn't make any damn sense. Where are the numbers coming from? IS there a total number and then we break it down. Do you just make up numbers. What's the value, how can we rate ones opinions you could have just as easily said which books you like. I don't get it.

**mugiwara** · 12-09-2019, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by jwatson

This thread doesn't make any damn sense. Where are the numbers coming from? IS there a total number and then we break it down. Do you just make up numbers. What's the value, how can we rate ones opinions you could have just as easily said which books you like. I don't get it.

It's just thread for people to rate the line-ups in their own way. And eventually compare it to how much they enjoyed each series.
I rated the characters from -3 to + 3 to obtain a score for each team, but that's just my personnal way to rank them.

Also: the title should have been "rate them", but I suck in english and I don't know how to fix it.

**AbnormallyNormal** · 12-09-2019, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by mugiwara

Giving bonus points and minus points to the members of the teams, which one has the best score?
How does that compare to how much you loved or hated the comics so far?

Excalibur = -2
Apocalypse (-1), Captain Britain (0), Gambit (-1), Jubilee (+1), Rictor (0), Rogue (-1)

Fallen Angels = 0
Bling! (-1), Cable (-1), Husk (+1), Psylocke (0), X-23 (+1)

Hellions = -4
Empath (-2), Havok (-2), Mr Sinister (-1), Nanny (+1) Orphan Maker (+1), Psylocke (0), Scalphunter (-1), Wildchild (0)

Marrauders = -6
Bishop (0), Iceman (-2), Pyro (0), Shadowcat (-2), Storm (-2), White Queen (0)

New Mutants = 14
Chamber (+1), Cypher (+1), Karma (+1), Magik (+3), Mirage (+2), Mondo (+1), Sunspot (+3), Wolfsbane (+2)

X-Force = -11
Beast (-2), Black Tom (0), Colossus (-2), Domino (+1), Jean Grey (-3), Kid Omega (-3), Sage (+1), Wolverine (-3)

So, my line-up ranking would be:
New Mutants > Fallen Angels > Excalibur > Hellions > Marrauders > X-Force

Comparing to how much I enjoyed the series:
New Mutants = X-Force > Marrauders > Excalibur > Fallen Angels

Yep, X-Force had no right to be so good.

Uh I guess I'll stick to a +1/0/-1 for the members, but am i doing this based on how I feel about these characters in general or how I feel they are being depicted in these books? I guess I'll somehow do both? Probably mainly the second thing.

Marauders: 1

Kate Pryde (+1), Emma Frost (+1), Sebastian Shaw (0), Storm (0), Iceman (0), Bishop (0), Pyro (-1)

X-Force: 2

Jean Grey (+1), Wolverine (0), Domino (0), Sage (0), Quire (0), Beast (0), Black Tom (+1), Colossus (0)

Excalibur: -3

Betsy Braddock (-1), En Sabah Nur (+1), Rogue (-1), Gambit (-1), Jubilee (-1), Rictor (0)

New Mutants: 1

Roberto Dacosta (+1), Samuel Guthrie (0), Ilyanna Rasputin (0), Rahne (+1), Dani Moonstar (0), Doug Ramsey (-1), Karma (0), Chamber (-1), Mondo (+1)

Fallen Angels: 4

Kwannon (+1), Nathaniel Essex (+1), Laura Kinney (+1), Nathan Summers (+1)

Can't evaluate Hellions yet obviously.

Well this gives me a ranking:

Fallen Angels (4), X-Force (2), Marauders/New Mutants (1), Excalibur (-3).

Didn't do XMen although probably could have.

X-Men: 6

Scott Summers (+1), Rachel Summers (+1), Nathan Summers (-1), Lorna Dane (+1), Erik Lehnsherr (+1), Emma Frost (+1), Sebastian Shaw (+1), Ororo Munroe (+1)

Wow, ok so my new ranking is

X-Men (6), Fallen Angels (4), X-Force (2), Marauders/New Mutants (1), Excalibur (-3).

Few problems with this method is it relies on # of characters in book. Also there is more to a book than just whether or not I feel each character is being used well or poorly. Like if the characters I am more interested in are being used really well then even if others I don't care as much about are being used badly it's fine. And there is the issue of world building, setting up plots and so forth beyond simply characterization.

**Jackraow21** · 12-09-2019, 07:12 AM

X-Force = 1000
Jean Grey (10), Quentin Quire (1), Beast (1), Sage (50), Colossus (8), Domino (30), Black Tom (0), Wolverine (900)

Everything else = 10

**jwatson** · 12-09-2019, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by mugiwara

It's just thread for people to rate the line-ups in their own way. And eventually compare it to how much they enjoyed each series.
I rated the characters from -3 to + 3 to obtain a score for each team, but that's just my personnal way to rank them.

Also: the title should have been "rate them", but I suck in english and I don't know how to fix it.

Imo it would have been easier to just give us the numbers like you just did and then ask us to rank them. I get it now though and will use your system.

Excalibur = 10
Apocalypse (1) Captain Britain (2), Gambit (2), Jubilee (1), Rictor (1), Rogue (3)

Fallen Angels = 3
Bling! (-2), Cable (0), Husk (2), Psylocke (1), X-23 (2)

Hellions = 1
Empath (0), Havok (-1), Mr Sinister (2), Nanny (0) Orphan Maker (0), Psylocke (0), Scalphunter (0), Wildchild (0)

Marrauders = -11
Bishop (2), Iceman (2), Pyro (1), Shadowcat (1), Storm (3), White Queen (2)

New Mutants = 18
Chamber (2), Cypher (1), Karma (1), Magik (3), Mirage (3), Mondo (2), Sunspot (3), Wolfsbane (3)

X-Force = -15
Beast (1), Black Tom (2), Colossus (1), Domino (2), Jean Grey (3), Kid Omega (2), Sage (+3), Wolverine (1)

So, my line-up ranking would be:
New Mutants > x force> Marauders> Excalibur>fallen angels>hellions

Comparing to how much I enjoyed the series:
Marauders>xforce>new mutants> Excalibur> fallen angels

**Domino_Dare-Doll** · 12-09-2019, 11:23 AM

Excalibur=31

Apocalypse (0) Captain Britain (5) Gambit (5) Rogue (3) Jubilee (8) Rictor (0) Shogo (10)

X-Force=15

Logan (10) Beast (3) Jean (2) Quentin Quire (-5) Domino (5)

Fallen Angels=21

Psylocke (10) X-23 (8) Kid-Cable (3)

Marauders=3

Kitty Pryde (2) Bishop (3) Storm (3) Pyro (0) Emma Frost (-5)

**CoCoBandz** · 12-09-2019, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll

Excalibur=31

Apocalypse (0) Captain Britain (5) Gambit (5) Rogue (3) Jubilee (8) Rictor (0) Shogo (10)

X-Force=15

Logan (10) Beast (3) Jean (2) Quentin Quire (-5) Domino (5)

Fallen Angels=21

Psylocke (10) X-23 (8) Kid-Cable (3)

Marauders=3

Kitty Pryde (2) Bishop (3) Storm (3) Pyro (0) Emma Frost (-5)

Dang no love for Emma or QQ, I see. Understandable.

It's usually this or that with those two.

**Domino_Dare-Doll** · 12-09-2019, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by CoCoBandz

Dang no love for Emma or QQ, I see. Understandable.

It's usually this or that with those two.

Haha, yeah, they're a...specific taste, I find. Not for me (I'm only sticking out X-Force for how Logan gives Quire as good as he tries to.)

**CoCoBandz** · 12-09-2019, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Domino_Dare-Doll

Haha, yeah, they're a...specific taste, I find. Not for me (I'm only sticking out X-Force for how Logan gives Quire as good as he tries to.)

Good luck. Issue #1 was my first and last purchase of X-Force. Don't have it in me to deal with Logan or a tortured Domino.

Spoilers are all I'll need from here on out.

**Tycon** · 12-09-2019, 11:59 AM

Marauders
Kate Pryde (+1), Storm (+3), White Queen (+3), Bishop (+2), Pyro (-1), Iceman (+1)
Score: 9

Excalibur
Captain Britain (+2), Jubilee (+3), Rogue (+2), Gambit (+1), Rictor (+3), •—[A]—• (+3)
Score: 14

New Mutants
Mirage (+3), Sunspot (+3), Karma (+3), Wolfsbane (-1), Magik (+2), Chamber (+1), Cypher (+1), Mondo (+2), Armor (-1), Glob (-3), Maxime (-3), Manon (-1), Boom-Boom (+3)
Score: 9

X-Force
Wolverine (+2), Marvel Girl (+3), Sage (+3), Beast (-2), Domino (+2), Colossus (-1), Kid Omega (-3), Black Tom (+1), Forge (+1)
Score: 6

Fallen Angels
Psylocke (+3), X-23 (+1), Cable (-2), Husk (+3), Bling! (+3)
Score: 8

Hellions
Havok (-3), Psylocke (+3), Sinister (+2), Empath (-1), Nanny (+3), Orphan Maker (+1), Wild Child (-1), Greycrow (+1)
Score: 5

My enjoyment thus far:

New Mutants > Fallen Angels = Marauders > Excalibur = X-Force

I’m assuming that after the first arc, Hellions will be between NM and FA.

**MYCMTSC** · 12-09-2019, 01:52 PM

Excalibur = 13
Apocalypse (2), Captain Britain (1), Gambit (1), Jubilee (3), Rictor (3), Rogue (3)

Fallen Angels = 3
Bling! (3), Cable (-3), Husk (0), Psylocke (3), X-23 (0)

Hellions = 0
Empath (-3), Havok (-3), Mr Sinister (2), Nanny (1) Orphan Maker (1), Psylocke (3), Scalphunter (0), Wildchild (-1)

Marrauders = 7
Bishop (1), Iceman (1), Pyro (0), Shadowcat (2), Storm (1), White Queen (2)

New Mutants = 14
Chamber (3), Cypher (-1), Karma (0), Magik (3), Mirage (3), Mondo (2), Sunspot (3), Wolfsbane (1)

X-Force = -10
Beast (-2), Black Tom (-2), Colossus (-3), Domino (-3), Jean Grey (-1), Kid Omega (1), Sage (-2), Wolverine (2)

Ranking by roster:
1. New Mutants (14)
2. Excalibur (13)
3. Marauders (7)
4. Fallen Angels (3)
5. Hellions (0)
6. X-Force (-10)

Enjoyment of Titles:
1. New Mutants
2. Marauders
3. X-Force
4. Fallen Angles
5. Excalibur

TBD Hellions

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