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    Oh my god they are so ugly. Kwannon's proportions are off. And that what people call Laura's face? Yuck.

    I'm still holding on to what Hill promised and I want to know what the deal with Apoth is (is it the same with the weird man-mutant-machine supremacy in Moira's 6th life in PoX?), so I'm reading this issue until something happens.

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    I wonder what picture the artist traced for Laura's binoculars pose.

    "Apoth killed your daughter"
    Is that what happened?

    "I know you hate Braddock"
    When did this start? smfh.

    "I'm worried about Cable"
    Me too, Gabby. Me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Quiet Councilor View Post
    Kwannon has had a right to be resentful from the beginning. That doesn’t mean Betsy wasn’t also a victim, but I think it’s reasonable to harbor resentment for someone who lived years of life in your body.
    Yes, this. I'm keen to see how this plays out. I don't want Kwannon and Betsy to actually go to war with each other but there should be some kind of tension and eventual accounting of some sort.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Quiet Councilor View Post
    Marvel was making money off the Psylocke brand anyway. This move allows them to do it in a way that is less alienating and problematic and more inclusive. It was a great business decision.
    Yep, it absolutely is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tycon View Post
    Yes, that’s generally what Marvel does. Create things but also sometimes retroactively add things. This isn’t anything new.
    And when what they add is stupid, we must ignore it.
    That's why we don't have mutant subspecies of Wolverines and Angels or a Nightcrawler being actually a demon.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Quiet Councilor View Post
    Marvel was making money off the Psylocke brand anyway. This move allows them to do it in a way that is less alienating and problematic and more inclusive. It was a great business decision.
    If you see it as a business decision, you get my point.
    Problem is who doesn't see it and is blaming Betsy for what happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by houndsofluv View Post
    why do we have to be so rigidly bound to past decisions? lots of works have found success by giving a previously "voiceless" character perspective and agency its fresh and its full of possibility...just like stories should be, and just like how this specific medium loves to tout itself it helps that kwannon/psylocke is partly attached to a previous character's "brand" so marvel can sell her better - they can "hit the ground running" per se, in terms of selling books - but thats only part of the goal here, or at least how i choose to see the goal: it should always be telling fresh stories in a new, interesting way
    This is not about bounding to past decisions, this is about being true to the facts.
    The reason Kwannon was created, why she was killed and why she's back now.

    If you wanna buy the idea that it's a new character that you see potential, ok.
    But the narrative that Kwannon was always there being oppressed by Betsy is just bs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant X View Post
    And when what they add is stupid, we must ignore it.
    That's why we don't have mutant subspecies of Wolverines and Angels or a Nightcrawler being actually a demon.
    If it’s something universally hated, sure. But if you and some angry Betsy fans have an issue, I don’t see the narrative problem besides it pissing off some ppl in a fanbase. Which every decision in comics ever manages to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuck frump View Post
    X23 has always been submissive to leader figures. Nobody batted an eye when it was male leaders is all.
    Now I just think you are intentionally trolling.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestialbodies View Post
    Now I just think you are intentionally trolling.....
    complain first; read book later.
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    Read some punisher, and I got to say it and FA make a real good case on why color artist are underrated. On punisher with Fabela, kudranski art is amazing and I can see why he was put on FA, but with D'armata his art is hard to follow, I thinks it's due to all the dark tones just melding together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dthirds3 View Post
    Read some punisher, and I got to say it and FA make a real good case on why color artist are underrated. On punisher with Fabela, kudranski art is amazing and I can see why he was put on FA, but with D'armata his art is hard to follow, I thinks it's due to all the dark tones just melding together.
    Interesting. I don't read Punisher. Do you have any pages to share?
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    Well, you might just owe me a new keyboard.

    I still like Kwannon/Psylocke II though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Interesting. I don't read Punisher. Do you have any pages to share ?
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    Last edited by Dthirds3; 12-16-2019 at 05:58 PM.

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    I see the commonalities, but the "Punisher" art is a bit more "solid" (?)
    Genkai nante nai (No limits), Zettai nante nai (No absolutes)

    Thank GOD for X'97. Cautious about "From the Ashes". Please no more Blue vs. Orange.

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    The art on falling angels is far more traced, no colorist would save it

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    The art on falling angels is far more traced, no colorist would save it
    Know what I wonder if the speed of dawn of x and hills responsiblity to his T.V., DC, and independent work was more then he could handle along with needing onset up hellions led to FA being a rush job.

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