One thing I just caught that bothers me: Moira says her death undoes all of this. But it’s her 10th and, according to Destiny, final life. Yes, I know, there’s a way in which she can gain another; but I think that may‘ve been referring to her faking her death with the Shi’ar golem in this one.
Regardless, this effectively means they have to keep her alive forever, no? Because no matter how far into the future she dies, it resets everything. At least if I’m interpreting what she’s saying there correctly. So that means that the timelines of all her other lives did not continue when she was killed, rather her death snipped those timelines out of existence. So if her death in her 10th and final life does the same, and ends the timeline, are they just doomed? No rebirth and new timeline, that’s just the end of the universe as we know it?
Seems like something that needs to be explained further unless I’m missing something.
Depowering tech is the next crutch after pointless deaths that needs to be done away with. I’m interested to know if there are any plans to explore mutants having their powers permanently. Cause “power-dampening missiles” is truly dumb as shit.
Not necessarily, you're constructing an entire timeline out of a handful of images all of which could have been taken drastically out of context. All we actually know of life IV is that 1) she embraced Xavier's open philosophy and it ended in disaster and 2) that there are some visual similarities to the 616. Thats true for most of the alternate realities or what if's we've gotten but there are often drastic differences in the details. Life IV is simply too vague right now to draw any conclusions beyond "it didn't work".
She may not be truly about preservation of mutantkind. Let’s go through some facts...
- her first instinct was to come up with a mutant cure
- she is very afraid of mutants who see the future
- she wants all of the mutants (except for those with foresight) to live in the same geographic area where they can be more easily eliminated as a threat
“Generally, one knows me before hating me” -Quicksilver
Yeah, the idea that a lot of major events had to be ‘played out’ by actors who already knew what had to happen makes it vastly more interesting to pick apart.
I don’t think they would show classic images that parallel Life X without Hickman/Larraz wanting us to draw that conclusion. Besides, I doubt Life IV is ever getting touched on again, what we were shown was supposed to be representative of Moira following Xavier’s philosophy, leading them to live a life eerily similar to the 616 except they never adopted and revised Magneto and Apocalypse’s philosophies when it mattered and humans killed them with Sentinels and Nimrods.
Last edited by Tycon; 12-23-2019 at 03:58 PM.
I think Hickman will explain/resolve that when he wraps up his run. In plot terms, Moira's 11th life and her past life conversation with Destiny about it is a "Chekhov's gun" waiting to go off.
My random speculation is that Hickman's run will end with another soft reboot due to Moira reincarnating one last time. X-continuity will be rewritten again with most of the timeline remaining the same but for a few key changes i.e. Moira is once again just a normal human, the Phalanx are no longer a threat, or something along those lines. However it plays out, it will have something to do with how Hickman's endgame resolves. It will also fit with his comments about "putting the toys back in the box" when he's done.
1.We're in agreement here, more or less. Could be headcanon, but I always felt in MU there's a link between life/spiritual/chi energy/force with electromagnetic spectrum through the Astral Plane and psionic elements. How? In physical world, our thoughts are generated and processed through neuronal networks, synapses. Electric signals within our nervous systems. This "organic electricity" allows living beings to command matter and elements, psionic energy and even fabric of spacetime itself sometimes. Maybe that's why psionic entities/parasites require physical bodies to be whole, otherwise they're stuck between the realms. But they find their way to reconnect themselves with the objective reality through the psionic links they can attach themselves through those bodies they posses. Still, it's just the Astral connection. The soul itself seems to be more mystical in its nature. Hence why actual ghosts, degenerated souls/demons, godlings and helllords operate in their own magical niche. So while astral forms are connected to the souls, maybe even far more close than to the bodies, there's still a disconnection. That's why astral entities like Shadowking, Malice and even Onslaught are different from all these restless spirits that you can find in Ghost Rider or Dr. Strange books. Astral Plane is a dimension of it's own, and so are countless afterlives.
2.As interesting of a thought as it is, does that really work with the aforementioned in mind?
3.I thought Danger was a tech mutant, she isn't really a norm in Shi'ar technology?
4.I'm just questioning if this processes and mechanics really work. It can be argued (or revealed) that mutantkind's astral forms are stronger and thus do not instantly enter the afterlife, a different to Astral Plane dimension. And since Phoenix Force has an affection with the kind as it seems, it potentially could fulfill its "astral purgatory" function of sorts. And that's where one of the Five could pull the astral form that still possesses both itself and the soul out, could be reincarnated within the newly remade shell. Does the Godhead work if we know how completely ununified the post mortem mechanics in MU are? And as we've seen multiple times, souls do seem to remain as individual and distinct as it gets.
More so perhaps because of their awakened spiritual consciousness and Magneto's subtle encouragement that they worship themselves and each other as gods, maybe Krakoans have "realized" that all pre-existing afterlifes are HUMAN afterlifes anyway and they want nothing to do with all that anymore. So they would strive to revive all mutants still dead to liberate them from human afterlifes that they may exist eternally now that they can no longer die permanently.
Genkai nante nai (No limits), Zettai nante nai (No absolutes)
Thank GOD for X'97. Cautious about "From the Ashes". Please no more Blue vs. Orange.