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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewCrossett View Post
    I will probably settle in to subscribing to Netflix, HBO Max and Disney+ (and Amazon Prime, which I already had for the free shipping and stuff). That should be pretty manageable.
    We're in the same boat. Recently I saw how much HBO Max had to offer and I think that will sway us in that direction.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens with Netflix vs. Disney+ as the Disney channel starts to offer more original content. Right now I don't see any reason to cancel Netflix, but over time that could become a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    Look, I'm just assuming that as HBO Max grows, it'll expand to other markets. It's not that hard, that's how it works. And yes, they do plan to expand anyways. I just believe that give it time, and we'll see more announcements in the coming years.

    Can we drop this? This isn't even fun.
    For many of those markets the "coming years" is guarranteed to be at least a decade away. They just extended licensing to a lot of that content to thise licensing partners for that long. The fact that they openly stated they would work thru licensing partners in many markets combined with these extensions is a clear indication of what is going to happen. The only licensing deal I know of that hasnt been extended is the CW/Netflix one. That nakes sense since they also give the rights to the material in the US. Even so the non extension of the CW/Netflix deal is only on newly produced content and they still have the rights to shows they already air for quite a few years.

    I would have been one of of those most eager to sign up for HBO Max and was annoyed by the news it will never be available here. Hell they just licensed ALL the DCU stuff not already licensed to Netflix and a lot more HBO exclusive stuff just out to foxtel for years. That makes it pretty clear that HBO Max isnt coming to us for some time.

    Disney on the other hand pulled all content from providers down under months ago.and it launched here a week after the US.
    After experiencing Disney + without a LOT of work to make it available and reliable on more devices and a lot more content, i can say it will be a long time before it will even interest me. When I considered getting Disney for the kids I asked them about the prospect of dropping Netflix, or the kids portion of Foxtel Now. It was a hard and fast no from all three to Netflix. All three and my wife have content on Netlix they don't want to loose. For me there is only the new adventures of Monkey (which I can live without), though that wouldnt be the case with Prime where I watch a lot.

    All I'm saying is you need to be careful making blanket statements, and not make statements that have been openly contradicted by the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Netflix is largely dedicated to adult programming, unlike Disney+ which is not gonna go higher than PG-13. So the latter is not a real competitor yet.


    Netflix has Witcher coming in tomorrow in fact.

    So I wouldn't count it out.
    Disney+ and Hulu are a package deal and all the Adult stuff will be on Hulu. According to Kevin Smith his adult Howard the duck show is still on.. all the said Netflix isnt in danger anytime soon.

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    Based purely on pricing of Foxtel down under (HBO's local partner) and how HBO Max is priced similarly to HBO now. The full service of Foxtel Now is $104au a month. That's for sport, docos, lifestyle, movie pack, pop, Drama, and kids. I only get pop/drama/kids for $35.

    For me there are more than enough movies on Netflix for its $13.99, to ever pay $30 for foxtel's movie channel pack. Hell with prime and Netflix combined i get more movies than I'd get from foxtel for $10 less.

    Since HBO max is priced similarly to HBO now I'd expect any fox made streaming service to be similarly made close in pricing to its current offer. Its sad but we've always paid more down under for tech than the rest of the world because we're willing to. So until a cheaper option for movies makes it our way Netflix isnt likely ro have any issue. Its just the cheaper provider of premium movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midvillian1322 View Post
    Disney+ and Hulu are a package deal and all the Adult stuff will be on Hulu. According to Kevin Smith his adult Howard the duck show is still on.. all the said Netflix isnt in danger anytime soon.
    Thats not the case everywhere. Hulu simply isnt available at all in a lot of places. A lot of what "comes with Disney +" isnt available to most of us

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    Thats not the case everywhere. Hulu simply isnt available at all in a lot of places. A lot of what "comes with Disney +" isnt available to most of us
    https://thestreamable.com/news/hulu-...lenge-to-solve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    HBO Max hasn't launched yet.

    And WB's war-chest if you come down to it, isn't so impressive. What do they have?
    -- Harry Potter, which is a bunch of mediocre films with fairly little replay value, followed by prequels that made many Lucas-haters apologize to George, and which has a backlash against it owing to Rowling being outed as a transphobe.
    -- LOTR, long three movies followed by prequels that are horribly bad.
    -- Game of Thrones, via HBO and AT&T, which got a major backlash over the final season and now is banking on a prequels series which considering how HP and LOTR turned with its prequels, is a case of over-optimism.

    Then there's the superhero stuff.
    -- The only good Superman movies are the first two.
    -- Batman movies I grant you will be significant but he's also oversaturated and overexposed.
    -- The rest of the DCEU might make it, might not.


    The only DC property I am excited in is Neil Gaiman's THE SANDMAN which is...on NETFLIX
    Speak for yourself, but between the LotR and HP franchises, I've watched those movies hundreds of times…
    It appears some posters have already corrected you, but HBO Max is going to bring some big guns and Warner Bros has a huge library of franchises, IPs, etc. all tied in with their subsidiaries and what not. In fact, I'd argue that Disney/Fox is the only one that outnumbers them at this point.

    HBO Max will also be dropping tens of millions on original DC shows and movies, per their announcement. Not quite akin to DC Universe (which I'm assuming and hoping will also be folded into HBO Max at some point) as they'll probably be better quality.

    OP - I personally think Netflix is going to have a "Come to Jesus" moment in the next 3-5 years. They need to start figuring out quick what works for them and what doesn't. I know a major complaint about Netflix is that almost all of their series rarely last beyond 2-3 seasons, with many of them not even receiving proper endings. That's wrong and probably where they should start first - quit making so many different originals, focus on making fewer in quantity but with awesome production quality and budgets (and more than just a couple seasons).

    I can't understand why it's that hard for them to implement. But, I'm keeping Netflix for now. I'll be watching The Witcher starting tonight and I do like a few other originals of theirs. If I reach a point in which I'm simply not getting the value out of the monthly subscription cost, I'll cancel but I'm not there, yet.
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    Late 2019 for Western Europe they say. They clearly didn’t get that in line. Earliest projection for the UK is April 2020 with no actual facts or promises.
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    I don't mind 2-3 seasons for a show, but the creators need to know what the expectation is so they can end it properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Politely, I think that you are not everyone.

    Netflix has(and continues to) do things that the services you mentioned probably won't.
    Exactly. There are still plenty of good drama and it shows most of the anime I am interested in.

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    Dropping Netflix for disney+ waa a no-brainer for me. I hardly ever watched it. Their original content is largely unappealing to me, and they didn't have enough content I'm already familiar with and enjoy to even get me to see what might be out there. In its first two months disney+ has already given me content I have at least a chance of viewing every night, and I'm looking forward to more new content in the coming months.

    If they don't provide it, or I don't want to see it, I will drop disney, but I won't be coming back to Netflix. Nothing they've done, for me, compare to something like Good Omens on Prime.

    I don't pretend to assume my feelings are representative of a significant sample, though.

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    The issue I have with Netflix is that they aren't a permanent library for media. A couple times I wanted to watch or rewatch something that was on their service at one point, but is no longer there any more. Further more their selection of classic films is not great. Here are the films I've watched recently and the bold I watched on Netflix (Taxi Driver, King of Comedy, Apocalypse Now, The Irishman, Goodfellows, Scarface, Casino, Godfather I, Godfather II). These are just mostly Scorsese and Capella films. I don't think they have any Hitchcock or Kubrick films listed either. Its not a bad selection, but its really scattershot.

    With Disney+ or HBO Max, they should in theory not only have classic films, but a permanent home for them as well.
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    I'm not sure what linking a story that confirms what I said does for your argument. I said Hulu ISNT available and that link confirms it. The story even talks about how a lot of hulu content is licensed to other providers in other markets. Not to mention how it talks about the number of players in other markets and if its worth it.

    The story clearly talks about an intent but that is after Disney goes global and that is still a couple years away (2022). I tried disney plus down under (which is available) and there is no way you can get Hulu or ESPN with it. Given that there would be a substantial cost involved making it available in other markets, one also cant assume the same bundle options will apply when it becomes available as they arenin the US. Companies dont spend money to throw it away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    Because they're trying to use quantity to compensate for quality, and all they're doing is making a bunch of bad and/or incomplete shows at the same rate the other services are hiring top talent and making big budget high concepts series worthy of the Emmys and wide audiences. HBO Max for example, is going to emphasize quality, planning to release 50 or so Max Originals in 2021, working in parity with the existing HBO library, to hit a home run in more cases. The fact that they're a bigger company, and own much of what they're making, helps to ensure the quality of said shows. HBO on average has higher budgets than Netflix. For example: Euphoria is a teen drama that had a budget of $88 million for one season, compared to Stranger Things (the big one) having around $60-70 million. That was just one show. Max Originals will definitely have more resources put into them than your average Netflix series. Green Lantern is said to have a budget of over $100 million (rumors going as high as 150-170m) while the Defenders series were around $45 million per show.

    Netflix just can't throw that kind of scratch around. I'm looking forward to Tokyo Vice, for instance, and it's because it stars Ansel Elgort and Ken Watanabe, and will be filmed on location in Japan itself likely with excellent cinematography and production values. Just from that alone, I knew that this is a show that wouldn't be able to be made by Netflix. They wouldn't have the budget or the resources for it to make it happen. Also, like I said, the quality of Netflix Originals is going way down in part because of their politics. I think HBO has always been good at storytelling, I mean, they are as their history proves (well apart from GoT Season 8), and the Max Originals just sound more appealing to me because of the production values and the fact that the shows don't just exist in the service of the company's political attitude but to tell interesting and entertaining stories.

    Don't get me wrong, there's some shows I'll still watch. Either by Blu-Ray, or a brief sub. No way am I going to stick with them, however.
    Just to point this out...

    What is in green?

    That is "One Person's Grumble..."

    While someone can feel that way, it's not anything like a reality that we should be factoring into Netflix' worth.

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    I guess so. i'm watching the Witcher.

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