Earth 1985 - what would you like to see?

[SiegePerilous02]

Well, Bronze Era stories often referenced Silver Age stories (and often skipping the most "questionable" parts)
For example:
the "infamous" spanking of Lois Lane (from Lois Lane #14 - 1960)

and the same scene from DC Special Series 26 (1981)

Notice how Superman stops remembering just before the... well, you know right?

If we're going to address the more problematic aspects of the pre-COIE stories and treat all of them as canon, we should also address Lois traveling back in time to Krypton's past so she could passionately kiss an infant Kal-El while he cries. Thus proving that she sort of deserved at least a little of the Superdickery aimed her way.

Basically they could all be flanderized assholes. Superman could be the biggest one, but he was in good company with his own cast, let alone the rest of the DCU. It was some weird **** written in the 50s and 60s. Seems an odd hill to want to die on.

[superduperman]

If we're going to address the more problematic aspects of the pre-COIE stories and treat all of them as canon, we should also address Lois traveling back in time to Krypton's past so she could passionately kiss an infant Kal-El while he cries. Thus proving that she sort of deserved at least a little of the Superdickery aimed her way.

Basically they could all be flanderized assholes. Superman could be the biggest one, but he was in good company with his own cast, let alone the rest of the DCU. It was some weird **** written in the 50s and 60s. Seems an odd hill to want to die on.

Yeah, Superman's far from alone in the "inappropriate behavior" category when it comes to the SA!

[SiegePerilous02]

Yeah, Superman's far from alone in the "inappropriate behavior" category when it comes to the SA!

These people could often be terrible, but they were never boring!

I would totally watch a It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia style show revolving around the SA Superman cast where they are all just terrible people who never learn any lessons lol.

[Buried Alien]

I would totally watch a It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia style show revolving around the SA Superman cast where they are all just terrible people who never learn any lessons lol.

That sounds like the SEINFELD characters.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[scary harpy]

Here's some research into when exactly the cutoff points could be for DC 1985.

First here's a list of the comics published the month that Crisis on Infinite Earths began:

Action Comics #566
All-Star Squadron #44
America vs. the Justice Society #4 -mini-series
Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld #4
Arak, Son of Thunder #43
Arion, Lord of Atlantis #30
Atari Force #16
Batman #382
Batman and the Outsiders #20
Best of DC #59 -reprint digest
Blue Devil #11
Camelot 3000 #12 -maxi-series
Conqueror of the Barren Earth #3 -mini-series
DC Comics Presents #80
Detective Comics #549
Flash #344
Fury of Firestorm #34
G.I. Combat #276
Green Lantern #187
Infinity, Inc. #13
Jemm, Son of Saturn #8 -maxi-series
Jonah Hex #90
Jonni Thunder #2 -mini-series
Justice League of America #237
Legion of Super-Heroes #9
New Teen Titans #7
Omega Men #25
Saga of the Swamp Thing #35
Sgt. Rock #399
Spanner's Galaxy #5 -mini-series
Star Trek #13 -licensed property
Sun Devils #10 -maxi-series
Superman #406
Superman Special #3 -special
Superman: The Secret Years #3 -mini-series
Talent Showcase #16 -out of continuity anthology
Tales of the Legion #322
Tales of the Teen Titans #52
V #3 -licensed property
Vigilante #16
Warlord #92
Who's Who #2 -maxi-series/reference
Wonder Woman #324
World's Finest Comics #314

And here are the last issues of comics before crossing over with COIE (using this list):

All-Star Squadron #49
Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld #12
Blue Devil #16
DC Comics Presents #85
Fury of Firestorm #40
Green Lantern #193
Infinity, Inc. #17
Justice League of America #243
Legion of Super-Heroes #17
New Teen Titans #12
Omega Men #30
Saga of the Swamp Thing #45
Superman #413
Wonder Woman #326

Thanks for the research, Lee.

I started looking at the old covers. Talk about a trip in the Way-back Machine.

[manwhohaseverything]

If we're going to address the more problematic aspects of the pre-COIE stories and treat all of them as canon, we should also address Lois traveling back in time to Krypton's past so she could passionately kiss an infant Kal-El while he cries. Thus proving that she sort of deserved at least a little of the Superdickery aimed her way.

Basically they could all be flanderized assholes. Superman could be the biggest one, but he was in good company with his own cast, let alone the rest of the DCU. It was some weird **** written in the 50s and 60s. Seems an odd hill to want to die on.

That's nothing lois wanted jor el.she tried to make lara hair green, so that jor el and lara's date gets ruined. Unfortunately for her, it didn't work. She even kisses him using the darkness of the night as a cover. Jor el thinks its lara. Lara comes, finds lois kissing jor el. She slaps her. Guess what? Jor el chooses lois.

[Zaku]

I can’t say i have. Thank you for the suggestion.

It's quite interesting. It is very difficult to find (sometimes some copy pops up on Ebay) but there are scans of it on the web.

These people could often be terrible, but they were never boring!

I would totally watch a It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia style show revolving around the SA Superman cast where they are all just terrible people who never learn any lessons lol.

I think you may have something there... Go on!

By the way, it isn't like the BA Superman cast was so much better.

Here, two intelligent, successful, adult women cat-fighting for a man.


Anyone who wrote this should be asham...



Err, never mind.

[Mr.B]

Looks fine to me.

[Zaku]

Looks fine to me.

Well, you know, in the original version Lois and Lana started to making out immediately after this scene, but then the Comics Code Authority...

[docmidnite]

Well, you know, in the original version Lois and Lana started to making out immediately after this scene, but then the Comics Code Authority...

lol. Damn CCA...

[Zaku]

I was reading this excellent Timeline of Earth-1 and there is another appearance of the Super-Teacher which I missed where...

The Robot-Teacher from Krypton, invented by Jor-El to teach Kal-El how to properly use his super-powers on Earth, returns to Earth to force Supergirl to retire, convinced that females are unable to handle super-powers

(from Adventure Comics #382, a story written, obviously, by Cary Bates).

Wow, Jor-El, how exactly did you program this robot..?

[superduperman]

I was reading this excellent Timeline of Earth-1 and there is another appearance of the Super-Teacher which I missed where...



(from Adventure Comics #382, a story written, obviously, by Cary Bates).

Wow, Jor-El, how exactly did you program this robot..?

That explains a lot, actually! Geez, I thought Krypton was supposed to be this advanced society. Maybe it got hit by a meteor on the way to Earth or something scrabbles it's circuits.

I just went and looked it up and it was written in 1969 so maybe this was one of those poorly handled attempts at trying to be "topical" at the time.

[Zaku]

That explains a lot, actually! Geez, I thought Krypton was supposed to be this advanced society. Maybe it got hit by a meteor on the way to Earth or something scrabbles it's circuits.

About Krypton as an "advanced" society, I don't know, it seems to me that its earth-1 version was depicted as a quite male-dominated one. I mean, this is the famous scene where Jor-El talks to the Science Council.



These are the most important people on Krypton. How many woman do you count?

And really, every time we meet a Kryptonian woman is always the mother of, the daughter of, the sister of... I struggle to remember any female Kryptonian character with any kind of agency.

And the only time we meet a strong, independent woman from Krypton?



Yes, Kal, it figures...

And think how Kryptonian surnames for women work: when they are maiden, they use the full father's name as a family name, then when they marry they take the husband's. It is probably only a legacy from when Kryptonian women were considered a man's property, but it is indicative that it survived until the destruction of the planet...

And don't forget the headbands, which symbolized the status of a free citizen. A status that only Kryptonian men could wear...

[Mr.B]

Supergirl....

[Zaku]

Supergirl....

Are you referring to the headband she wore? It was added at the request of the producers of the 1984 Supergirl movie (who then decided to ditch the headband themselves). And it wasn't like there were any Kryptonians around who could have objected.