Lois and Jimmy. What's this got to do with anything?
Darkseid is Darkseid. He is not the first villain to humiliate Superman. I don't know when Orion ever humiliated Superman other than that time he beat up the Justice League and even then that was the entire League not Superman so who cares?Darkseid and orion had humiliated superman if I remember(understandable )
There were far more instances where he wasn't. You're really accentuating the negative..JL comics had many instances of clark being navel gazing in preflashpoint(lame).
Superman has never been comfortable with losing to Lex. He doesn't care about losing to the Flash because their races are either for charity or fun and Superman is not a petty man-child unlike Lex.Superman is consistently shown to be at ease of taking L's from the likes of flash,Lex..etc
The number of times when this happened can be counted on one hand and one of those instances was in an elseworld.There are way too many instances of clark being controlled by the government as well.
You did not start this conversation talking about the DCAU. And if you're focusing only on the DCAU, your argument has even less legs to stand on because that is not the only version of Superman that exists.Moreover,my examples were strictly limited to dcau.
I'm not even sure you understand what you're talking about with this.Because the guy I replied to thinks dcau superman is postcrisis superman's successor (factually wrong).
Now you're just shifting the goal posts. Actually, not so much shifting them but shipping them off to another planet. The World's argument was that post crisis Superman always let people walk over him which is provably not the case. Calling what he does in that image edgy is the most incorrect use of the word I've seen on the Internet yet. Hell, it's far less edgy than anything Golden Age or Morrison Superman have ever done.There is a difference between mopey/edgy and being really strong.the pic you provided shows exactly what @Theworld is talking about.Post Crisis writers believe edginess means strong.They overdo it as well when the character needs to look strong.Jon is rarely flexing muscles with damian.The kid is sunny and strong. On the other hand,Superman with guns in dos to show how badass he is.Superman in exile.they can't write superman as gladiator metaphorically.So they make him literal one.honestly ,that's actually a bit better since there is a point.Future state is good.but,that's still problematic.