Superman and Anime

[manwhohaseverything]

Hamon mimics the sun which is a bullshit explanation (Araraki's word). At it's core is supposed to be a mix of Qigosiming and psychic power from Babel II.

i am more partial towards hxh nen like power structure.if i do say so myself.I feel superman's powers need something like that.A wide variety of classification for kryptonians to specialise.Something like pokemon.Which also means, speedster kryptonian would be weak againts someone who uses kinetic abilites like conner.A strength guy would be weak against a superintelligent kryptonian.Granted these are mere specalisations ofcourse.

[Laufeyson]

i am more partial towards hxh nen like power structure.if i do say so myself.I feel superman's powers need something like that.A wide variety of classification for kryptonians to specialise.Something like pokemon.Which also means, speedster kryptonian would be weak againts someone who uses kinetic abilites like conner.A strength guy would be weak against a superintelligent kryptonian.Granted these are mere specalisations ofcourse.

Dude, that battle system will never work in comics, because it's just idiot. TThe similarity between HxH and Jojo might be stems from the fact that Jojo is HxX inspiration.

[manwhohaseverything]

Dude, that battle system will never work in comics, because it's just idiot. TThe similarity between HxH and Jojo might be stems from the fact that Jojo is HxX inspiration.

suit yourself,i feel it's very well done hxh i mean.Personality types being related to the power type..HxH is a decontruction of shonen genre in general.It takes inspirations from wide variety of mangas.

[PCN24454]

suit yourself,i feel it's very well done hxh i mean.Personality types being related to the power type..HxH is a decontruction of shonen genre in general.It takes inspirations from wide variety of mangas.

HxH isn’t good because it’s a deconstruction. It’s good because it’s actually enjoyable.

Besides that, there are too many power systems in the DC universe for something like an anime power system to work. If it were three or four, then maybe, but there are as many powers as there are characters.

[manwhohaseverything]

HxH isn’t good because it’s a deconstruction. It’s good because it’s actually enjoyable.

Besides that, there are too many power systems in the DC universe for something like an anime power system to work. If it were three or four, then maybe, but there are as many powers as there are characters.

I wasn't talking about dcu .Just superman franchise and kryptonians,daxamites..etc.Moreover,Both flash and green lanter have began to go for more complex power systems.

[Laufeyson]

"Pirates are not tied down to moral obligations, and live outside the merits of man/social status."
i am actually,i just couldn't reply to the whole thing.Vigilantes live outside the societal structures as well.They a giant tower in the sky and a hall.Many Extreme situations require extreme measures.You are saying superman helps people because of moral obligation.What about choice?how is it morality if it's not a choice?People are not robots.Goldenage superman didn't help people because it was his duty.He was doing the right thing because of his nature and nurture.Superman is'nt spiderman.Superman isn't "With great power comes great Obligation". Superman is "Morality is a choice".you can either be lex or superman.You can either be luffy or blackbeard.How can behaviour akin to robots by humans fullfilling societal obligations be called morality?I refuse to believe automation is morality.It is not even intelligence.How can it be wisdom to know right from wrong?

I'm sorry, but it's hard to understand your wording here so please excuse me if my wording is weird for this. But, the thing is Superman helping others is a choice and Spider-Man from great power comes great responsibility is also a choice. It's not entirely nature by verse for Superman or Spider-Man to become a hero, but they did because they want to, they can quit whenever they want. But they won't because they won't stop, it's not matter of extreme choice require extreme measure. It's more about I want to, in fact extreme choice require extreme measure is not Superman style. Now the same thing can be said about the villains they have a choice, and they did bad thing, and that's because of their moral. Their morals and consciences are different than Superman or any other heroes, but again it's a choice, not obligation for Spider-Man to do that.

[/QUOTE] Yet,Luffy performs the most selfless acts in the series.He didn't have to punch a celestial dragon or dig to get rain for a complete stranger.But,he did it.Many of didn't end good for luffy as well.Superman did'nt have to save lois and blow his cover as just an urban myth in goldenage.But,he did it.That didn't end well either.Superman was hunted down by the police.Luffy thinks of himself as selfish.I myself think of myself as selfish as well.Maybe i am or maybe not.If oda himself thinks luffy is meant to be chivalrous samurai who is altruistic.why do you say otherwise? And i also question the implicit assertion of [/QUOTE]

I think you have to understand this, but there is no chivalrous samurai in the history. The way Oda pictured Samurai is the romantism of Samurai, but in true story they are the most violent and selfish and greedy warrior out there. They fight for their own honor, for money, and for fame. It's the depiction of Samurai. I suggest you start to watch more about Kurosawa's movies and read much old literature about Samurai such as the Book of Five Ring by Musashi to understand them. So the way I pictured it is different from Oda, where to me Oda write the romantism version of Samurai rather than realistic part of it and it's okay. The way I see Oda picturing Samurai from that word is more like Mito Koumon or from drama Shinsengumi that love to play in Japan, where samurai is people full of honor that help people in need. Where the other side of that is Samurai is selfish knight fighting dirty while spouting bullshit about honor.

To me that's not the way Superman should act, Superman supposed to be honorable person. Sure he can fight dirty, his honor is supposed to be there. The way I see Superman is he supposed to be like Oda Nobunaga of Superhero. While Luffy I see him as more into Musashi type where all things he ever wanted is he wanted and **** everything else. So they are fundamentally different, Luffy himself said that it's okay not to fight in honorable way because they are pirate. A thing that Shanks love to say, but for hero the honor thing must be there, so it's hard to say the similarity between the two.

[/QUOTE]which comes from the above statement of pirates being selfish.A label means nothing.Actions mean everything.To be superman ,you have to act like it.For me,Luffy quintessential successor to goldenage superman.i disagree,luffy would pummel mongul until he is dead.As if that's how luffy works.He ain't blackbeard.Yes,he would pummel if the guy does not yield.You have nothing to prove that luffy kills let alone does something like that.Goldenage superman on the other hand has a body count.[/QUOTE]

Dude, Luffy punch Enel through his body, pummeling Rob Lucci and Crocodille to death and breaking every bones in Oars body. The only reason they still alive, because Oda doesn't want Luffy to kill, but if it's in DC Universe, Enel, Lucci, Crocodille, Oars, Doflamingo, and Buggy will die when they getting hit like that. GA Superman sure kills a battalion of Japanese in a brutal manner, but even DC and SS understand that is not the way it works, so they retcon it immediately.

[Laufeyson]

I wasn't talking about dcu .Just superman franchise and kryptonians,daxamites..etc.Moreover,Both flash and green lanter have began to go for more complex power systems.

Yeah, but that take away the fun thing the match making. Because like Pokemon, a grass type will never win against fire type and it make everything boring in fight between two character. For a game it's fine, but I think for comic and manga it's mistake to take something like that. Because of that I believe it's rare to find manga with that battle system and manga in general lean into DBZ, DQ, and FF power system where level dictate your power.

[PCN24454]

Yeah, but that take away the fun thing the match making. Because like Pokemon, a grass type will never win against fire type and it make everything boring in fight between two character. For a game it's fine, but I think for comic and manga it's mistake to take something like that. Because of that I believe it's rare to find manga with that battle system and manga in general lean into DBZ, DQ, and FF power system where level dictate your power.

I think you have it backwards. Grass types will always beat Fire types because they have underdog factor.

That’s why Superman stories always have Kryptonite in them; so that we can see Superman overcome it.

[Laufeyson]

suit yourself,i feel it's very well done hxh i mean.Personality types being related to the power type..HxH is a decontruction of shonen genre in general.It takes inspirations from wide variety of mangas.

I think people don't understand the deconstruction of manga, because I believe HxH is not a deconstruction. Because if it's then One Piece, Death Note, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Shingeki no Kyojin, and Slam Dunk is deconstruction too which is nothing special. HxH is good because it's enjoyable as simple as that. But, the manga itself is nothing special compare to Yu Yu Hakusho.

[Laufeyson]

I think you have it backwards. Grass types will always beat Fire types because they have underdog factor.

That’s why Superman stories always have Kryptonite in them; so that we can see Superman overcome it.

Tell that to Blast Burn to face. A fight like that will be boring if speedster will have an advantage against telekinetic.

[manwhohaseverything]

I'm sorry, but it's hard to understand your wording here so please excuse me if my wording is weird for this. But, the thing is Superman helping others is a choice and Spider-Man from great power comes great responsibility is also a choice. It's not entirely nature by verse for Superman or Spider-Man to become a hero, but they did because they want to, they can quit whenever they want. But they won't because they won't stop, it's not matter of extreme choice require extreme measure. It's more about I want to, in fact extreme choice require extreme measure is not Superman style. Now the same thing can be said about the villains they have a choice, and they did bad thing, and that's because of their moral. Their morals and consciences are different than Superman or any other heroes, but again it's a choice, not obligation for Spider-Man to do that.

Yet,Luffy performs the most selfless acts in the series.He didn't have to punch a celestial dragon or dig to get rain for a complete stranger.But,he did it.Many of didn't end good for luffy as well.Superman did'nt have to save lois and blow his cover as just an urban myth in goldenage.But,he did it.That didn't end well either.Superman was hunted down by the police.Luffy thinks of himself as selfish.I myself think of myself as selfish as well.Maybe i am or maybe not.If oda himself thinks luffy is meant to be chivalrous samurai who is altruistic.why do you say otherwise? And i also question the implicit assertion of [/QUOTE]

I think you have to understand this, but there is no chivalrous samurai in the history. The way Oda pictured Samurai is the romantism of Samurai, but in true story they are the most violent and selfish and greedy warrior out there. They fight for their own honor, for money, and for fame. It's the depiction of Samurai. I suggest you start to watch more about Kurosawa's movies and read much old literature about Samurai such as the Book of Five Ring by Musashi to understand them. So the way I pictured it is different from Oda, where to me Oda write the romantism version of Samurai rather than realistic part of it and it's okay. The way I see Oda picturing Samurai from that word is more like Mito Koumon or from drama Shinsengumi that love to play in Japan, where samurai is people full of honor that help people in need. Where the other side of that is Samurai is selfish knight fighting dirty while spouting bullshit about honor.

To me that's not the way Superman should act, Superman supposed to be honorable person. Sure he can fight dirty, his honor is supposed to be there. The way I see Superman is he supposed to be like Oda Nobunaga of Superhero. While Luffy I see him as more into Musashi type where all things he ever wanted is he wanted and **** everything else. So they are fundamentally different, Luffy himself said that it's okay not to fight in honorable way because they are pirate. A thing that Shanks love to say, but for hero the honor thing must be there, so it's hard to say the similarity between the two.

[/QUOTE]which comes from the above statement of pirates being selfish.A label means nothing.Actions mean everything.To be superman ,you have to act like it.For me,Luffy quintessential successor to goldenage superman.i disagree,luffy would pummel mongul until he is dead.As if that's how luffy works.He ain't blackbeard.Yes,he would pummel if the guy does not yield.You have nothing to prove that luffy kills let alone does something like that.Goldenage superman on the other hand has a body count.[/QUOTE]

Dude, Luffy punch Enel through his body, pummeling Rob Lucci and Crocodille to death and breaking every bones in Oars body. The only reason they still alive, because Oda doesn't want Luffy to kill, but if it's in DC Universe, Enel, Lucci, Crocodille, Oars, Doflamingo, and Buggy will die when they getting hit like that. GA Superman sure kills a battalion of Japanese in a brutal manner, but even DC and SS understand that is not the way it works, so they retcon it immediately.[/QUOTE]
You said superman is obligated to help. He is not. Neither is luffy. But both do the right thibg
Are you kidding me? Goldenage superman used to take extreme measures. He took a war corrupt war profiteer by the belt and put him in the middle of a war. So, that the guy understands how horrible war is. He lifted a corrupt senator by the leg and ran on telephone lines to scare him. Forgive me, goldenage superman is not the current superman. He was a different mold.


Superman is dubbed a whiteknight by donner and later interpretation just like batman is called the dark knight.He wears the cygil of house of el. I could say that there are no noble knights in the world. Why? Cause knights would declare me heratic and killed for not choosing state religion which is usually Christianity. They do the bidding of the king like loyal dogs. Just read berserk.Moreover,having chivalrous spirit of knight or a samurai or old western hero is what matters. Goldenage superman had it in spade.the principle is what matter. Knights and samurai are first to lay down their life for strangers.

None, of that was meant to be lethal. It was the fury of the battle, Not conscious decisions. He was punching to save his own life. Self preservation is a thing.Oars was a zombie. How is that any different from superman punching doomsday to death in death of superman storyline?superman didn't know doomsday was immortal. Superman punched doomsday to save himself and others. Luffy punched enel, crocodile and lucci to save alabasta, skypia, robin,everyone. Superman died punching doomsday . Luffy only fainted. Unlike, superman though luffy gives it his all. Why? Cause if he doesn't everyone connected to him would be killed. That's not the only body count goldenage superman has. The only superman that doesn't kill is silverage and bronze age superman. The guy in my avatar. Every superman including postcrisis superman has killed. Don't forget how postcrisis superman killed zod.

[Laufeyson]

Superman is dubbed a whiteknight by donner and later interpretation just like batman is called the dark knight. I could say that there are no noble knights in the world. He wears the cygil of house of el. Why? Cause knights would declare me heratic and killed for not choosing state religion which is usually Christianity. They do the bidding of the king like loyal dogs. Just read berserk.Moreover,having chivalrous spirit of knight or a samurai or old western hero is what matters. Goldenage superman had it in spade.the principle is what matter. Knights and samurai are first to lay down their life for strangers.

I read Berserk, but doesn't that actually prove my point in a way. That Guts and all band of hawks are after money, they don't care about countries or people, what they after are money, a selfish inherent that they will even run if the payment is not in table.

None, of that was meant to be lethal. It was the fury of the battle, Not conscious decisions. He was punching to save his own life. Self preservation is a thing.Oars was a zombie. How is that any different from superman punching doomsday to death in death of superman storyline?superman didn't know doomsday was immortal. Superman punched doomsday to save himself and others. Luffy punched enel, crocodile and lucci to save alabasta, skypia, robin,everyone.

Oh this interesting, but I think you can take that Robin is getting punched ****. Luffy is more gentle to Robin, Nami, and Vivi than the other of his crewmate. I think it's interesting because in Amazon Lily and against Alvida, Luffy can punch female ok, but I guess it's way of Garp instilling that you can't punch your mother thing. It's cool, I believe.

Superman died punching doomsday . Luffy only fainted. Unlike, superman though luffy gives it his all. Why? Cause if he doesn't everyone connected to him would be killed. That's not the only body count goldenage superman has. The only superman that doesn't kill is silverage and bronze age superman. The guy in my avatar. Every superman including postcrisis superman has killed. Don't forget how postcrisis superman killed zod.

You know with these lines, sometimes I am thinking. Are you really Superman fan? I mean come on, Superman gives it all too to defeat Doomsday. He give him his strongest shoot at that time, proving that he is indeed not an almighty god and he can be defeated with or without kryptonite. I never said Superman never kill, I said that Superman had a code that he will never kill, but Luffy don't, Luffy has the Will of Author that dictated him to never kill. Those two are different. Sure Superman kill, but isn't that show how even sometimes Superman can fail. Isn't that not good?

[Steel Inquisitor]

You said superman is obligated to help. He is not. Neither is luffy. But both do the right thibg

Luffy only helps when he's bought into something or someone he knows is in danger, he's passive to caring about anyone else. Unlike super-heroes.

Are you kidding me? Goldenage superman used to take extreme measures. He took a war corrupt war profiteer by the belt and put him in the middle of a war. So, that the guy understands how horrible war is. He lifted a corrupt senator by the leg and ran on telephone lines to scare him. Forgive me, goldenage superman is not the current superman. He was a different mold.

He's not like what Superman became but that comes off like cheeky prankster than a ruthless hero. When people bring up heroes being extreme it's with violence, Superman's not sawing war profiteers in half with his heat vision. Punisher would be scarier to those people in the Golden Age, since he murders people.

Superman is dubbed a whiteknight by donner and later interpretation just like batman is called the dark knight.He wears the cygil of house of el. I could say that there are no noble knights in the world. Why? Cause knights would declare me heratic and killed for not choosing state religion which is usually Christianity. They do the bidding of the king like loyal dogs. Just read berserk.Moreover,having chivalrous spirit of knight or a samurai or old western hero is what matters. Goldenage superman had it in spade.the principle is what matter. Knights and samurai are first to lay down their life for strangers.

It's a figurative term, not a literal one. That's incredibly cynical view of the world. Berserk is a fantasy, not a documentary. Knights and samurai have been romanticised for centuries, just like pirates. That's what they're supposed to be, but reality is far darker. It also contradicts the cynical view in this paragraph, where something is good or not goes back and forth on what the argument is - they're not consistency here.

None, of that was meant to be lethal. It was the fury of the battle, Not conscious decisions. He was punching to save his own life. Self preservation is a thing.Oars was a zombie. How is that any different from superman punching doomsday to death in death of superman storyline?superman didn't know doomsday was immortal. Superman punched doomsday to save himself and others. Luffy punched enel, crocodile and lucci to save alabasta, skypia, robin,everyone. Superman died punching doomsday . Luffy only fainted. Unlike, superman though luffy gives it his all. Why? Cause if he doesn't everyone connected to him would be killed. That's not the only body count goldenage superman has. The only superman that doesn't kill is silverage and bronze age superman. The guy in my avatar. Every superman including postcrisis superman has killed. Don't forget how postcrisis superman killed zod.

Superman died stopping Doomsday, why is Luffy fainting the superior choice? But how did they kill? Don't pretend like Superman's execution of Zod was anything like Doomsday.

[Prime]

Its amazing how similar and different Goku are but I always believed if they were on the same multiverse. Goku would be his counterpart.

[Laufeyson]

Its amazing how similar and different Goku are but I always believed if they were on the same multiverse. Goku would be his counterpart.

As far as multiverse goes, I can see Goku as his shonen representative multiverse.