Jean Grey: Phoenix/Marvel Girl Appreciation 2020

[spirit2011]

QTF

As for this ever "spiraling the drain" conversation on Jean and Logan, spirit is entitled to her fantasy world where Jean is real and so on. Can we change topic to where we think Jean goes next based on her "leaving" X-Force and where else she would be useful?

That taylor gonna pick up jean and retcon this no-sense.

or that she gonna be on Avengers to stop namor using Phoenix.

Suer it is me that asy that a fictional character has agency as if sheral presone was a real person

Eh, New 52 started 2 years before that. If I ignore 9th issue everything compared to what Hickman did is far better than Bendis. Bendis is only hyped because he was writing several comics and events like AOU.

new 52 was one year before bendis and was still going strong. While rebirth was more than 3 years before Hickman and going very bad now.

Hickman got a lot more hype on x-men than Bendis and still can't beat bendis

Well, it was that they changed the approach for years so that Jean is the one who takes the initiative in that way, it stops being harassment or creepy and becomes attraction, consent or empowerment. As some have called it.

in fact there is a film critic who talks about how the media allowed this behavior by changing certain words or actions in the characters. It is very similar to the comments I have read in these hours.

Well just because they write different now, it doesn't erase what happened before as it still on continuity. it even make it a lot more abusive, as she accept that behavior.
It's a normalization of sexual harassment, zero empowerment.

[Havok83]

X-force 10 was actually an amazing issue for Jean and her best showing in like 2 years. Its sad that 95% of the discussion has been abut who she is kissing as if she didnt have a great feat, exhibit the passionate fire that most have found lacking and showed so many aspects to her personality. Can we please focus on that and stop trying to go back and forth with Spirit about Logan, which frankly has gone nowhere

I cant wait till X-Force #11 but ugh, the wait will be tortuous. Hopefully she is resurrected in the next Wolverine issue bc that means Percy will get her again

[v_jeovanne]

That taylor gonna pick up jean and retcon this no-sense.

or that she gonna be on Avengers to stop namor using Phoenix.

Suer it is me that asy that a fictional character has agency as if sheral presone was a real person



new 52 was one year before bendis and was still going strong. While rebirth was more than 3 years before Hickman and going very bad now.

Hickman got a lot more hype on x-men than Bendis and still can't beat bendis



Well just because they write different now, it doesn't erase what happened before as it still on continuity. it even make it a lot more abusive, as she accept that behavior.

completely agree. It is not okay to normalize what is not normal.

[Vishop]

Hickman got a lot more hype on x-men than Bendis and still can't beat bendis

What? Marvel Now happened 2 years after New 52. And top of that Bendis was PUSHED like Hell with AvX or AoU and STILL, AvX didn't even cross with PoX/HoX with all it together.

[franckd]

X-force 10 was actually an amazing issue for Jean and her best showing in like 2 years. Its sad that 95% of the discussion has been abut who she is kissing as if she didnt have a great feat, exhibit the passionate fire that most have found lacking and showed so many aspects to her personality. Can we please focus on that and stop trying to go back and forth with Spirit about Logan, which frankly has gone nowhere

I cant wait till X-Force #11 but ugh, the wait will be tortuous. Hopefully she is resurrected in the next Wolverine issue bc that means Percy will get her again

Amen to that!

[spirit2011]

What? Marvel Now happened 2 years after New 52. And top of that Bendis was PUSHED like Hell with AvX or AoU and STILL it didn't cross PoX/HoX

new 52 2011, marvel now 2012

HOXPOX was the event of summer last year, they presented it on sandiego comic con. It had a huge promotion

[Vishop]

new 52 2011, marvel now 2012

HOXPOX was the event of summer last year, they presented it on sandiego comic con. It had a huge promotion

Lmao If you are being such outlier Avengers film released that month or so. Still, Hickman>Bendis HoX/PoX sold better than AvX

[spirit2011]

Lmao If you are being such outlier Avengers film released that month or so. Still, Hickman>Bendis HoX/PoX sold better than AvX

whata avengers movie have anything to do with a x-men book? this i sreaching. I think bendis was a lot better with characters.
he wrote Jeen a lot better and was willing to do different things with her.

[Vishop]

whata avengers movie have anything to do with a x-men book? this i sreaching. I think bendis was a lot better with characters

Because Bendis was overhyped with everything he had with Avengers, AvX, Marvel Now, and AoU. Avengers vs X-Men had Avengers written on it. STILL AvX sold less than PoX/HoX

[Jackraow21]

haha really funny trying to compare me with these type of people

Oh, you are unmistakably that type of person. LOL.

You might not have the same views as a COVID denier, or a religious dinosaur denier for that matter, but you are exactly the type of person that believes his own b.s. rather than facts. Sorry to break it to you. It’s okay, however. I’ve come to find you highly entertaining in your delusion and even hypocrisy, so please carry on...

[Vishop]

whata avengers movie have anything to do with a x-men book? this i sreaching. I think bendis was a lot better with characters.
he wrote Jeen a lot better and was willing to do different things with her.

Yeah right. Why don't you ask this CBR Community about how X-Men were written over the past decade

[Havok83]

[Jackraow21]

me delusional? suuuuure

i just have canons instead of head canons and i don't condone sexual assault

The issue is that you pick and choose what’s “canon” versus what’s actually shown on the page (which is the definition of what’s canon) and you consider everything sexual assault (including scenes that clearly aren’t) or condoning sexual assault. Hell, me arguing with you right now is probably akin to my condoning sexual assault in your mind!

But that’s okay, you just keep doing you.

Good advice. Good advice. Have to keep reminding myself. Thanks.

[spirit2011]

The issue is that you pick and choose what’s “canon” versus what’s actually shown on the page (which is the definition of what’s canon) and you consider everything sexual assault (including scenes that clearly aren’t) or condoning sexual assault. Hell, me arguing with you right now is probably akin to my condoning sexual assault in your mind!

But that’s okay, you just keep doing you.

I don't do that. i'm very impartial different from what shippers do.

prople basically said that sexual harassment didn't happened because it was 1980 and that I should erase that.

[Vishop]

Now I seemed to realize the fact that X-Men was continually selling semi-monthly from February to March. Its kinda obvious that it would affect the sales.