Jean Grey: Phoenix/Marvel Girl Appreciation 2020

[superjosh]

Okay. I give you credit for the funniest post I’ve read today. That was fantastic. LOL.

LOL agreed 10X

[Jack The Tripper]

these open statement "people change" aren't a argument, they are pretty bad because only help me see how a character is out of character.
and we know people never change

Erm. Individuals certainly do change. You do not stay the exact same person with the same opinions your whole life. Experiences you've had help you grow and develop into something different - that's literally life. Jean got cheated on, died, came back to find that the man she still loved was dead, led her own team, got back with the one she loved, and figured "hey, maybe if we change the way we look at our relationship, we can last, and we can be happy" - people experiment with this stuff all the time. X-Men has been updated to reflect 2020 and the changing times we're currently in. More and more couples are embracing the idea of open relationships, so here it is in popular media. Not to mention, this could just be an experiment for them, and by the end of Hickman's era, they could decide against it and stay with eachother, or go their separate ways. We'll see.

[superjosh]

I finally feel like we've made some progress! I hope you said it to lighten the mood and I would love it if you could do that more!!!

[spirit2011]

I finally feel like we've made some progress! I hope you said it to lighten the mood and I would love it if you could do that more!!!

I shouldn't had to tell what I watch or watched because you ofended me

[Soulsword323]

A few folks have already and Josh Cassara replied and posted a sketch of Jean .. so I am thinking she is staying or at least sticking around some more.
She is on the cover of an upcoming issue (issue 12).

Thanks! Nice to know she'll still be popping up within in the title, but I'm hoping that she'll still have a meaty role in the book. It was a nice sketch too.

[Jack The Tripper]

As if man weren't known to put theirselves in the characters shoes, like percy? he totally is like Wolverine.

female agency can't come from a male perspective.

You are speculating lol.

It absolutely can in fictional and creative texts. You are essentially writing off every female character written by a man. Jean has been written mainly by men, does this make her a moot character? Same with Storm? Wonder Woman?

Of course there need to be more female characters written by women (same for minorities), but that doesn't instantly make a man's (respectful and responsible) take on a character void.

[spirit2011]

Erm. Individuals certainly do change. You do not stay the exact same person with the same opinions your whole life. Experiences you've had help you grow and develop into something different - that's literally life. Jean got cheated on, died, came back to find that the man she still loved was dead, led her own team, got back with the one she loved, and figured "hey, maybe if we change the way we look at our relationship, we can last, and we can be happy" - people experiment with this stuff all the time. X-Men has been updated to reflect 2020 and the changing times we're currently in. More and more couples are embracing the idea of open relationships, so here it is in popular media. Not to mention, this could just be an experiment for them, and by the end of Hickman's era, they could decide against it and stay with eachother, or go their separate ways. We'll see.

none of these things are change for jean
what if she just saw that it was a abusive relationship and got out? that is alot more empowerment than out of character bahavior with a cheather and a guy who harassed her.
Solve the problem by opening the only relationship that she ever had is dumb and sexist, she has to experience other relationship to know more.
it is just bad writing and "people change" is a blank statement with no value

[superjosh]

I shouldn't had to tell what I watch or watched because you ofended me

And we're back. It's not about the porn. It was just the brief honesty and what I hoped was you making a joke.

If you don't want to be called a prude, don't try to justify saying extremely prudish things by saying you're not a prude. It's the equivalent of people starting sentences with "I don't want to sound racist but...". It's just not the way to go about it.

[spirit2011]

And we're back. It's not about the porn. It was just the brief honesty and what I hoped was you making a joke.

If you don't want to be called a prude, don't try to justify saying extremely prudish things by saying you're not a prude. It's the equivalent of people starting sentences with "I don't want to sound racist but...". It's just not the way to go about it.

dude not everyone is having sex all the time. impossible have a conversation with people that don't understand the nuances of human sexuality and start calling names

You are speculating lol.

It absolutely can in fictional and creative texts. You are essentially writing off every female character written by a man. Jean has been written mainly by men, does this make her a moot character? Same with Storm? Wonder Woman?

Of course there need to be more female characters written by women (same for minorities), but that doesn't instantly make a man's (respectful and responsible) take on a character void.

i'm not, everyone already said that he is the real life wolverine.

it really puts things on a bad perspective and writers project theirselves on male characters all the time; Wolverine and Scott are some of the most frequent cases.

I don't take it seriously. Sure that are good male writers like Rucka, Gillen, Snyder, Tom Taylor that I trust for it.
but if I see some projection around, I gonna call out it. it is exactly what I seeing going around Jean

[superjosh]

dude not everyone is having sex all the time. impossible have a conversation with people that don't understand the nuances of human sexuality and start calling names

No, not everyone, but Jean is at the moment and you're not dealing with it very well. And you think I don't understand the nuance...

[spirit2011]

No, not everyone, but Jean is at the moment and you're not dealing with it very well. And you think I don't understand the nuance...

There isn't any nuance where Jean is, it is pretty much the contrary of nuance

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

I enjoyed it, what about you ?

I thought it pretty darned great, all around. Strong showing for my favorite character and not a bad showing for anyone else. All very well written and drawn.

[franckd]

I don't have a problem with jean having sexual agency, but it is out of character. She needs to date nd have a serious relationship

What I'm gonna tell you is 100 % true
I was for years a romantic. I needed to fall in love to have sexual desire. I thought sex without love was gross.
A decade later, I'm having random sex with people I desire. No date, no "love", just sex. Am I out of character ?

Anyway, AMAZING issue. Percy/Cassara is my winning team 2020.

[spirit2011]

What I'm gonna tell you is 100 % true
I was for years a romantic. I needed to fall in love to have sexual desire. I thought sex without love was gross.
A decade later, I'm having random sex with people I desire. No date, no "love", just sex. Am I out of character ?

Anyway, AMAZING issue. Percy/Cassara is my winning team 2020.

Sometimes that doesn't happen for everytone. People have to stopprojecting on character personal things, the character isn't that way. accept that

[franckd]

Sometimes that doesn't happen for everytone. People have to stopprojecting on character personal things, the character isn't that way. accept that

Oh that irony... Yet you don't see it, don't you?