Jean Grey: Phoenix/Marvel Girl Appreciation 2020

[spirit2011]

Oh that irony... Yet you don't see it, don't you?

i'm not projecting anything from my personal life, I only taking it from the canon

[Jackraow21]

Oh that irony... Yet you don't see it, don't you?

He doesn’t. Which makes it so damn funny. These sanctimonious types never can.

[franckd]

i'm not projecting anything from my personal life, I only taking it from the canon

Canon is that Jean was attracted to Logan since day one. Having sex with him comes as a shock only for you.

[spirit2011]

He doesn’t. Which makes it so damn funny. These sanctimonious types never can.

I don't know what I have to be sanctimonious, people here just call names to intimidate

Canon is that Jean was attracted to Logan since day one. Having sex with him comes as a shock only for you.

Being attracted doesn't mean having sex. that is called nuance
and that was a cheap retcon

[franckd]

He doesn’t. Which makes it so damn funny. These sanctimonious types never can.

Maybe I'm blind too you know ;-) But to be honest, the very moment I read those last pages of X-Force, I knew what would happen here, in this very topic lol
But I don't mind. The most important thing is that the book is great, the art was amazing, the writing spot on, and Jean doing Logan a dream come true for me.... So... :-)

[spirit2011]

Of course shippers gonna like, rationality is out of the window for them. Like Tom King writing a crappy bat and cat but shippers were ok with the bad writing because he made the couple happen different from Snyder and Tynion after him

[franckd]

Of course shippers gonna like, rationality is out of the window for them. Like Tom King writing a crappy bat and cat but shippers were ok with the bad writing because he made the couple happen different from Snyder and Tynion after him

Jean having sex with Logan is not out of character for me, but a progression of something that was built up for years. They were both attracted to each others since decades. It was known, it was mutual. With such desire, one day or an other, you allow yourself to get it. Now, you can hate it all you want, you can call it cheap, crappy, irrational, it doesn't change that for many of us, it's logical and organic. Accept the disagreement and move on.

[spirit2011]

Jean having sex with Logan is not out of character for me, but a progression of something that was built up for years. They were both attracted to each others since decades. It was known, it was mutual. With such desire, one day or an other, you allow yourself to get it. Now, you can hate it all you want, you can call it cheap, crappy, irrational, it doesn't change that for many of us, it's logical and organic. Accept the disagreement and move on.

there isn't any build up, she always rejected him and always choose Scott. their love story was one sided and only shippers make it seem so big when it was all the time a not unrequited love story.
The last pages came out of nowhere, where is the chaarcter work?
of course it makes sense for shippers of the couple

[franckd]

there isn't any build up, she always rejected him and always choose Scott. their love story was one sided and only shippers make it seem so big when it was all the time a not unrequited love story.
The last pages came out of nowhere, where is the chaarcter work?
of course it makes sense for shippers of the couple

Or maybe it's you who was in denial since HoX... You were so vocal in denying the polyamory thing since day one, even when it was just under your nose... If it came from nowhere, explain why almost everyone could see it...

[superjosh]

there isn't any build up, she always rejected him and always choose Scott. their love story was one sided and only shippers make it seem so big when it was all the time a not unrequited love story.
The last pages came out of nowhere, where is the chaarcter work?
of course it makes sense for shippers of the couple

If you've been talking about it for months (the current Krakoa-era relationship) then it didn't come out of nowhere.

And for real, it's been inevitable FOR DECADES. It was not one-sided. I started reading comics around X-Tinction Agenda, and as a seven year old I understood it. "There isn't any build up." Your denial is so deeply rooted, it's really unbelievable.

[spirit2011]

Or maybe it's you who was in denial since HoX... You were so vocal in denying the polyamory thing since day one, even when it was just under your nose... If it came from nowhere, explain why almost everyone could see it...

because people want it to happen without making any sense? marvel gonna allow it? LOL
where is the development? people think that Ihave to accept any bad writing, I don't and I won't

If you've been talking about it for months (the current Krakoa-era relationship) then it didn't come out of nowhere.

And for real, it's been inevitable FOR DECADES. It was not one-sided. I started reading comics around X-Tinction Agenda, and as a seven year old I understood it. "There isn't any build up." Your denial is so deeply rooted, it's really unbelievable.

I haven't. and yeah it came out of nowhere without any development

inevitable for decades? where? anything can be avoided. There isn't anyone with a gun to writers head to write crap

[franckd]

because peopel want it to happen without making any sense?
where is the development? people think that Ihave to accept any bad writing, I don't and I won't

Or, as I said, you refused/denied to see hints and now blame the others for seeing them and call that projection.

Just because you don't relate to those changes, doesn't mean they can't exist. I saw them in real life.

[superjosh]

Or maybe it's you who was in denial since HoX... You were so vocal in denying the polyamory thing since day one, even when it was just under your nose... If it came from nowhere, explain why almost everyone could see it...

EXACTLY. He can't have it both ways. If it came out of nowhere, then he just invalidated everything he's been arguing about for the last year.

[spirit2011]

Or, as I said, you refused/denied to see hints and now blame the others for seeing them and call that projection.

They were mostly jokes, they aren't chaarcter development. Again it won't ever happen without abig retcon or some mental control

[superjosh]

inevitable for decades? where? anything can be avoided. There isn't anyone with a gun to writers head to write crap

What are you on? Obviously I'm talking about the characters. It was bound to happen for their characters.