Jean Grey: Phoenix/Marvel Girl Appreciation 2020

[franckd]

Its an homage

To lazyness?

Just kidding. I was pointing at something that I noticed, but at the end of the day, it really doesn't bother me.

EDIT : thanks for the Spidey/MJ cover. I didn't know it. And now I can see the homage you mention.

I thought you were saying Scemma's cover was an hommage to Jogan's cover.

[Su_Whisterfield]

To lazyness?

Just kidding. I was pointing at something that I noticed, but at the end of the day, it really doesn't bother me.

EDIT : thanks for the Spidey/MJ cover. I didn't know it. And now I can see the homage you mention.

I thought you were saying Scemma's cover was an hommage to Jogan's cover.

To bad anatomy and women without internal organs.

[Dipter]

To bad anatomy and women without internal organs.

It’s just stylization...

[Su_Whisterfield]

It’s just stylization...

This is stylisation.
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That is poor art.
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[Dipter]

There are limitless different ways that art can be stylized. I just think its kind of unfair to call it bad anatomy when its clear that realism wasn't the artist's intention, but to each their own.

[Zelena]

There are limitless different ways that art can be stylized. I just think its kind of unfair to call it bad anatomy when its clear that realism wasn't the artist's intention, but to each their own.

There’s a lack of homogeneity in the stylisation, though… Realist in the arms, fanciful in the waist.
Strange that so many years later, women seem to wear corsets…

[Devaishwarya]

Stylised : depicted or treated in a mannered and non-realistic style.

Subjective bias aside...JSC's art is stylised.

[Vishop]

This is stylisation.
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That is poor art.
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Eh, Scottie Young really? He is just a cartoon artist rather than comic book artist. That's not stylized comic book art. The other one is a homage cover. They are always generic.

[Su_Whisterfield]

Stylised : depicted or treated in a mannered and non-realistic style.

Subjective bias aside...JSC's art is stylised.

My “subjective bias” is forty years experience as an artist.

Eh, Scottie Young really? He is just a cartoon artist rather than comic book artist. That's not stylized comic book art. The other one is a homage cover. They are always generic.

This sentence makes no sense.
A homage is something done as a respectful recreation of an original piece.
Generic means non specific.

[Striderblack01]

Stylised : depicted or treated in a mannered and non-realistic style.

Subjective bias aside...JSC's art is stylised.

My “subjective bias” is forty years experience as an artist.

#dontyouknowwhoIam

I expect someone with "40 years of experience" to be able to defend their point, not just flash their credentials.

[Devaishwarya]

My “subjective bias” is forty years experience as an artist.



This sentence makes no sense.
A homage is something done as a respectful recreation of an original piece.
Generic means non specific.

Regardless of how old you are, subjective bias is subjective bias.
D.NA's Jean is no different really from the other Jean with her non-existent waist, as well. I'm not a fan of his work but it's not objectively and technically "bad". Inaccurate, perhaps (it is stylised)...but not "bad".
Is it more "realistic" than the SY comparison piece? Yes...but not by much.

And how do you know D.NA's homages weren't being respectful to the JSC Spiderman/MJ piece? What about it/them is disrespectful? If anything, he's too respectful given the very similar proportions.

Looking at them both...I can see no "disrespect" implied.

[Zelena]

In all these pictures, there is at least a lack of respect for female internal organs…

In addition, in the X-covers, the women look more like rubber (or snakes…).

[Striderblack01]

In all these pictures, there is at least a lack of respect for female internal organs…

In addition, in the X-covers, the women look more like rubber (or snakes…).

Uuuuggh.

I didn't realized we cared so much for internal organs.
Here, let me try.

The main problem with the piece, that is present in all subsequent homage pieces in this series but most prominent in Jean/Logan piece, is the woman's body.
There are two specific issues: the point-of-view of the bosom and the torso.
Both issues are related.

In JSC's original piece, one can reasonably assume that Felicia's body is in profile.
Though obfuscated with her hair, and the fur of her outfit, pay special attention to upper chest area (ahem).
Due to the point of view, Felicia's back shoulder is/should be lower than her front shoulder and should be behind her and not visible to the viewer.

Now look at the new pieces.
The shoulders are on the same level, and the back shoulder is forward (towards the kissing partner).
This changes the perspective of the bosom, which the artist did not properly compensate for.
This also changes the curvature of the back, which the artist also did not properly compensate for.
They just used the similar lines/pose from the JSC piece.

This gives the appearance of an improperly elongated torso (not in proportion), and a really awkward pose.
There.

Edit:

[Su_Whisterfield]

#dontyouknowwhoIam

I expect someone with "40 years of experience" to be able to defend their point, not just flash their credentials.

Apologies, you’re quite correct, I posted and ran, I should have taken the time to extrapolate.

Uuuuggh.

I didn't realized we cared so much for internal organs.
Here, let me try.

The main problem with the piece, that is present in all subsequent homage pieces in this series but most prominent in Jean/Logan piece, is the woman's body.
There are two specific issues: the point-of-view of the bosom and the torso.
Both issues are related.

In JSC's original piece, one can reasonably assume that Felicia's body is in profile.
Though obfuscated with her hair, and the fur of her outfit, pay special attention to upper chest area (ahem).
Due to the point of view, Felicia's back shoulder is/should be lower than her front shoulder and should be behind her and not visible to the viewer.

Now look at the new pieces.
The shoulders are on the same level, and the back shoulder is forward (towards the kissing partner).
This changes the perspective of the bosom, which the artist did not properly compensate for.
This also changes the curvature of the back, which the artist also did not properly compensate for.
They just used the similar lines/pose from the JSC piece.

This gives the appearance of an improperly elongated torso (not in proportion), and a really awkward pose.
There.

Edit:

A huge part of the problem, on seeing the original, is that the original art is bad anatomy too. So the copies continue to amplify the issues. It’s noticeable on the first one of Scott and Emma, but really, really noticeable on the second.
Even your quick fix is an improvement. I will forgive (almost) anything in fan art, but expect basic competence in professionals.

[Havok83]

There focus on this instead



Its unfortunate that they havent really interacted much at all in X-Force