Jean Grey: Phoenix/Marvel Girl Appreciation 2020

[Harpsikord]

She got creative and made use of other weapons at her disposal...




Jean was on fire this issue though (UXM #63) partially to play off the cover fakeout that made it look like she might be turning against the team. They made her behave in a vocally "feminist" way more than usual.

It's a real damn shame that they're able to make the mini dress look fucking fantastic in the 60s-70s but not now. That's not how that should work lmao

[nightw1ng]

It's a real damn shame that they're able to make the mini dress look fucking fantastic in the 60s-70s but not now. That's not how that should work lmao

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. Her gloves and boots are supposed to be sleek and form-fitting, but for some reason, most artists this past year have been depicting them like they're oversized dishwasher gloves and rain boots.

[Celestialbodies]

Didn't Hickman write her kicking the Brood's ass? I swear you just can't let that one issue of HoX go because it doesn't fit you're Jean Grey power fantasy.

No, he did not, he had her immobilize one Brood on panel, then had her exposition for like 4-5 pages none of which was personal or felt like Jean. Which is the only problem I have with how he's used her so far, she is literally just there to expound on what the author needs the reader to know. You could literally replace Jean with any other character and nothing about the stories he's used her in would change much.

Did he? Post panels of her doing something cool against the Brood......


....

exactly.


Just wait until he actually does do something cool with her and then you can talk about how wrong I am lmao

My favorite was the 5 pages of explaining why she couldn't read a single Brood's mind even though:







And a throwback just for funs.

Eh those instances are more the exception than the rule.

Wouldn't that be more applicable if it was a one off and not several different instances across several years?

[Celestialbodies]

She got creative and made use of other weapons at her disposal...




Jean was on fire this issue though (UXM #63) partially to play off the cover fakeout that made it look like she might be turning against the team. They made her behave in a vocally "feminist" way more than usual.

Due to the era and the infrequency of X-books especially with a female focus, she never got as much credit. But this same era her psionic potential was described as limitless, in you above scan I believe she located Angel 6,000 miles away, tracked an electronic brain, stalemated Mesmero, blasted Juggernaut through his helmet with an assault he compared to Xavier, and telepathically dropped the Hulk. And she often used her telepathy as psychometry probing environments for information on who had last been present in the area.

It's a real damn shame that they're able to make the mini dress look fucking fantastic in the 60s-70s but not now. That's not how that should work lmao

No one is going to convince me that Hickman ONLY putting Jean in her 60/70 costume isn't some big joke at her expense. A year later and there hasn't even been a hint as to why she'd even want to be regressed so far back. It makes it worse that her peers Emma specifically has a new costume in every book she appears, Storm has recently worn a variation of her current costume. And everyone else is wearing either there recent costumes or slight variations. Thank heavens that Dauterman consistently puts her in the GSX costume, not that Hickman bothers to adopt it.


Although, rereading HOX/POX specifically the issue she dies in, something about those last few pages continues to make me question whether this Jean is the most up to date version. It's just something about the narration as she dies, "Look at how this always ends...with fire...and death...every victory ash. Then there's this:

[NOTE: It is possible for a telepathic operator to replace their own mind with a previous [legacy] version, but doing so is incredibly difficult and would most likely require a skilled and experienced operator.]

[NOTE: Charles Xavier has done this twice]


Something about that, where she died, the narrative, and even her first statement after returning, I don't know it made me start to question if this is all of Jean, might just be reading into thing but it seems odd.

[MechaJeanix]

I have always liked the panel were Jean is angry and points her finger at Mags.

"Fans" always want to say Jean has a fiery temper, but this was really the first time we saw it---and with good reason. Hard pressed to think of another time that Jean was shown as passionately angry, except upon her return when she learns Mags is leading the X-Men.

There are other examples like how she reacted to Lang and Wolverine in the right-before-she-merges-with-Phoenix story. Also, Jean at times had a temper in the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix years. Jean displayed anger several times in the X-factor years. I've said it before but Jean came across more settled/mature in the 90's (though I've read before where some fans argued it wasn't shown/earned this maturity but I think you can say it came with life experience during the X-factor years). Jean kind of became the den-mother to the X-men, and a very empathic compassionate character so we don't always see the more fiery side..especially when she's not Phoenix (though Teen Jean certainly displayed a lot of personality, temper, and angst).

I love scans from the original X-men days.

[Harpsikord]

Although, rereading HOX/POX specifically the issue she dies in, something about those last few pages continues to make me question whether this Jean is the most up to date version. It's just something about the narration as she dies, "Look at how this always ends...with fire...and death...every victory ash. Then there's this:

[NOTE: It is possible for a telepathic operator to replace their own mind with a previous [legacy] version, but doing so is incredibly difficult and would most likely require a skilled and experienced operator.]

[NOTE: Charles Xavier has done this twice]


Something about that, where she died, the narrative, and even her first statement after returning, I don't know it made me start to question if this is all of Jean, might just be reading into thing but it seems odd.

If I were still of the mind that Charles was actually more or less a villain and not a morally gray entity right now I'd still saying mind that he repressed the minds of certain characters so that they were as malleable as he needs them to be.

I think that Jean is still the Jean that we were seeing in Red and Uncanny when she was first revived, and if not that Jean then the Jean that we were seeing under Morrison. I just also think that Hickman isn't entirely as aware of these characters as people give him credit for and that even if he was he struggles to write characters in the first place. His thing is definitely sweeping epics and narratives. That said Jean in X-Force and in her small appearances in other titles have felt appropriate, and that includes GSXM Jean & Emma - likely in large part due to Dauterman more than to Hickman.

[Celestialbodies]

If I were still of the mind that Charles was actually more or less a villain and not a morally gray entity right now I'd still saying mind that he repressed the minds of certain characters so that they were as malleable as he needs them to be.

I think that Jean is still the Jean that we were seeing in Red and Uncanny when she was first revived, and if not that Jean then the Jean that we were seeing under Morrison. I just also think that Hickman isn't entirely as aware of these characters as people give him credit for and that even if he was he struggles to write characters in the first place. His thing is definitely sweeping epics and narratives. That said Jean in X-Force and in her small appearances in other titles have felt appropriate, and that includes GSXM Jean & Emma - likely in large part due to Dauterman more than to Hickman.

Very possible.

I also thought the manipulating characters abilities was weird, I don't think nearly enough attention has been brought to the potentially upgrading characters perhaps without their consent. Monet sticks out the most for me, like has it ever been explained who decides which abilities they get or keep. Because I distinctly remember Cassandra Nova stating she could access all the abilities in Xaviers genome. I wonder if that's true for other character during resurrection process. Which speaking of Cassandra and Xavier possibly being or becoming corrupted, wasn't Charles dressed exactly like Cassandra Nova in the forming of Krakoa? Some of this stuff is a little too coincidental:






And on your point about Jean you're probably right, there's just so much Hickman has already hinted at I'm curious to see where all this goes. I agree on his lack awareness of some of the characters, I'd hoped that he would expound on Jean taking a more active role in mutant affairs starting in NXM, then continuing in RED. But as with most development Jean gets outside of the Phoenix and who she's dating it's of course been forgotten.

[Kitty&Piotr<3]

To be fair, the Phoenix development is always forgotten as well. Some lame woman-hater went out of his way to make her a victim and invalidate her Phoenix stories.

[Havok83]

Jean is not the same Jean that was from the 60s/70s. Her relationship and affection for Cable makes no sense if that were the case. Hickman wrote her weak once nad people wont let that go. That has not been her narrative for the past year worth of storytelling

[Cruelrain]

It's a real damn shame that they're able to make the mini dress look fucking fantastic in the 60s-70s but not now. That's not how that should work lmao

Yeah...

I've also noticed that Marvel is hiring artists who draw adults that look like kids or adults with baby faces, flushed faces etc

maybe it's the new thing in comics but not a fan of it

[Harpsikord]

And on your point about Jean you're probably right, there's just so much Hickman has already hinted at I'm curious to see where all this goes. I agree on his lack awareness of some of the characters, I'd hoped that he would expound on Jean taking a more active role in mutant affairs starting in NXM, then continuing in RED. But as with most development Jean gets outside of the Phoenix and who she's dating it's of course been forgotten.

All things considered the Summer Council should actually be the hand of the Quiet Council that operates with all political arms of Krakoa; they're the ones that we should see reaching out to other nations and to the UN and doing things like what Autumn did in X-Men 4, except they wouldn't do it so shadily. Unfortunately it was Autumn that we've seen doing these things, and reaching out to Namor. I bet if it were Jean that reached out to Namor he would be more actively aligned with Krakoa.

In fact we don't know what the point of the Summer and Winter council are at all.

[Devaishwarya]

All things considered the Summer Council should actually be the hand of the Quiet Council that operates with all political arms of Krakoa; they're the ones that we should see reaching out to other nations and to the UN and doing things like what Autumn did in X-Men 4, except they wouldn't do it so shadily. Unfortunately it was Autumn that we've seen doing these things, and reaching out to Namor. I bet if it were Jean that reached out to Namor he would be more actively aligned with Krakoa.

In fact we don't know what the point of the Summer and Winter council are at all.

Besides sounding cool...the Summer Council has the most attractive members.

Jokes aside...Jean, Storm and Nightcrawler are decidedly the most morally level-headed and trust worthy of all the Council members. That's the perspective they offer and the balance they bring to the table.

[Daedra]

some more Jean https://aiptcomics.com/2020/10/12/x-...swords-week-4/

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[Havok83]

yes to her using her powers! I love seeing the 3 family members in battle together. God, I cant recall the last time we got a teamup of just them 3, if thats ever even happened

[Zelena]

Yeah...

I've also noticed that Marvel is hiring artists who draw adults that look like kids or adults with baby faces, flushed faces etc

maybe it's the new thing in comics but not a fan of it

It’s even more annoying that the characters have been drawn with more adult faces previously…
This de-aging doesn’t help to go into the story and to believe that, despite the change of writer and artist, it is the same characters than before…

For the origin, I blame a lack of love for the reality, where grown-ups don’t have smooth faces and have wrinkles…