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    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    The X-office thrives on a perpetual victim narrative that's bolstered by their lack of willingness to incorporate non-mutant heroes into their stories. If T'Challa, Iron Man, or any hero were shown to be active in the pursuit of mutant justice it takes away from the notion that effectively every non-mutant hero is implicit in the suffering of mutants everywhere or are actively harboring anti-mutant views themselves.

    So where in the Avengers office Storm's relationship with T'Challa is either ignored or put on a pedestal, the X-office sees it as something to be shown as an impediment to a "real" X-Man. A distraction or at worst a threat to the security of mutantkind. So T'Challa can't be shown as an active advocate for the mutant community, he needs to be aloof to mutant catastrophes and want his wife to completely divorce herself of those issues.

    It's why a romance between them can never work in the end. T'Challa's mere existence as an X-Men ally threatens one of the core values of the modern X-office and many x-fans that have internalized that same complex. They'd sooner see Wakandans exterminating mutants than them actually standing alongside mutants as allies.

    Which isn't even getting into the whole racial subtext of Storm embracing a black man as her lover, something that is certainly off-putting to a portion of the fanbase. For many Storm is post-racial, above blackness or African-ness and to see her expressing those roots, especially with a black man elicits the same kind of discomfort in some X-fans that fans of Beyonce got when she released "Formation" lol.


    All of this, especially the bolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvell2100 View Post
    You said it dude, it's about victimhood. They couldn't have found any other solution to Storm getting the sword without the nonsense
    exactly this!!! they had to retcon a sword into the wakanda lore to create this narrative that she knows she is. knowing who she is resulted in severing the onky real connection she has outside of being an xman. its odd she didn't have these issues when fighting alongside the Wakandans against internal and external threats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    The X-office thrives on a perpetual victim narrative that's bolstered by their lack of willingness to incorporate non-mutant heroes into their stories. If T'Challa, Iron Man, or any hero were shown to be active in the pursuit of mutant justice it takes away from the notion that effectively every non-mutant hero is implicit in the suffering of mutants everywhere or are actively harboring anti-mutant views themselves.

    So where in the Avengers office Storm's relationship with T'Challa is either ignored or put on a pedestal, the X-office sees it as something to be shown as an impediment to a "real" X-Man. A distraction or at worst a threat to the security of mutantkind. So T'Challa can't be shown as an active advocate for the mutant community, he needs to be aloof to mutant catastrophes and want his wife to completely divorce herself of those issues.

    It's why a romance between them can never work in the end. T'Challa's mere existence as an X-Men ally threatens one of the core values of the modern X-office and many x-fans that have internalized that same complex. They'd sooner see Wakandans exterminating mutants than them actually standing alongside mutants as allies.

    Which isn't even getting into the whole racial subtext of Storm embracing a black man as her lover, something that is certainly off-putting to a portion of the fanbase. For many Storm is post-racial, above blackness or African-ness and to see her expressing those roots, especially with a black man elicits the same kind of discomfort in some X-fans that fans of Beyonce got when she released "Formation" lol.


    dude this post is freaking epic!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    exactly this!!! they had to retcon a sword into the wakanda lore to create this narrative that she knows she is. knowing who she is resulted in severing the onky real connection she has outside of being an xman. its odd she didn't have these issues when fighting alongside the Wakandans against internal and external threats.
    They retconed her not being fully african in BP books but you donīt have a problem with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milici View Post
    They retconed her not being fully african in BP books but you donīt have a problem with that.
    I'm sorry come again? who did what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    exactly this!!! they had to retcon a sword into the wakanda lore to create this narrative that she knows she is. knowing who she is resulted in severing the onky real connection she has outside of being an xman. its odd she didn't have these issues when fighting alongside the Wakandans against internal and external threats.
    Yeah, I'm sure BP could have used this sword in Empyre instead of asking Hulkling for his sword. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuiltyPleasure View Post
    He raised good points. One of them being how Wakandans viewed Storm as a goddess under Coates. She saved them from Adversary and they literally prayed to her. The artist showed people from all over the country praying to her. So, when the podcaster said if Goddess Storm Hadari Yao came asking for a Wakandan sword then you give it to her. That makes sense but only if Coates's work isn't ignored. Why would Wakandans have a problem with their Hadari Yao borrowing a sacred sword that could possibly save their lives? Come on, most of them wouldn't.

    And, okay, another poster noted that no one would've even known the sword was gone unless Ramonda, Shuri, or T'Challa told them. So true. None of this makes any sense beyond the contrivance of ending the relationship. That is not hard to discern. The logic of it all fails. But not if that motivation is factored in.
    The guards were with Tchalla. One of them might have said something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milici View Post
    They retconed her not being fully african in BP books but you donīt have a problem with that.
    Her mother is Kenyan and her father was an African American from New York. I have no idea what you mean by "fully african," but that has always been her biological background. Both Coates and Hudlin acknowledged both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butterflykyss View Post
    I'm sorry come again? who did what?
    She was born in Kenya and that was always the case since her first appearence in X-Books, in the BP books they retconed her to be born in the USA because only african americans perspective matter, other african people be damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuiltyPleasure View Post
    He raised good points. One of them being how Wakandans viewed Storm as a goddess under Coates. She saved them from Adversary and they literally prayed to her. The artist showed people from all over the country praying to her. So, when the podcaster said if Goddess Storm Hadari Yao came asking for a Wakandan sword then you give it to her. That makes sense but only if Coates's work isn't ignored. Why would Wakandans have a problem with their Hadari Yao borrowing a sacred sword that could possibly save their lives? Come on, most of them wouldn't.

    And, okay, another poster noted that no one would've even known the sword was gone unless Ramonda, Shuri, or T'Challa told them. So true. None of this makes any sense beyond the contrivance of ending the relationship. That is not hard to discern. The logic of it all fails. But not if that motivation is factored in.
    his points were excellent to me . its like a mirror image of my thoughts lol. and exactly yo your first paragraph. thats my biggest issue with this story. the only way it works or makes any sense is if you completely ignore Coates bp. there are some who are fine with ignoring it and others who may have not even read it but i can't erase 4 years of development storm received because he is not writing her.

    and yes yes yes to your second point. ororo going through what she did made it more visible to everyone had not shuri or the queen mother simply given it to her but of course as you stated the xwriters then would not have been able to deconstruct that aspect of her development had they not taken their approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milici View Post
    She was born in Kenya and that was always the case since her first appearence in X-Books, in the BP books they retconed her to be born in the USA because only african americans perspective matter, other african people be damn.
    she wss born in harlem NY, to an African mother and African American father. that was always the case :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cville View Post
    The guards were with Tchalla. One of them might have said something.
    I mean from the very beginning. There was no need for the general public, even the sword's guards, to know she had the sword. They could've allowed for a clean swap and no one would've been the wiser. The fact that she went there with a replica goes to her having a contingency plan in case they rejected her request. Again, the whole thing was contrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milici View Post
    They retconed her not being fully african in BP books but you donīt have a problem with that.
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    I'm sorry come again? who did what?


    You take this one BK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvell2100 View Post
    Yeah, I'm sure BP could have used this sword in Empyre instead of asking Hulkling for his sword. Go figure.
    right. and btw do any of the other swords mentioned used by the ancient wakandans actually real?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvell2100 View Post


    You take this one BK.
    lololol I can't today is just not the day!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by GuiltyPleasure View Post
    I mean from the very beginning. There was no need for the general public, even the sword's guards, to know she had the sword. They could've allowed for a clean swap and no one would've been the wiser. The fact that she went there with a replica goes to her having a contingency plan in case they rejected her request. Again, the whole thing was contrived.
    exactly. that is the word of today: contrived.
    ALL HAIL THE HADARI YAO, THE OMEGA'S OMEGA, BEYOND OMEGA, THE VOICE OF SOL!!!! NOW AGAIN THE ONE TRUE AND ONLY GODDESS OF THE X-MEN AS CLAREMONT INTENDED!!!!!

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