Scott Summers: Cyclops Appreciation 2020

[gambitxremy]

I love that cyclops is finally seeing through the bull**** of Professor x. His starting to question things

[TheDeadSpace]

Ah, well. "It's only wrong when Cyclops does it".

I think that slightly bugs me as well. The proactive view that's now in use with Krakoa was considered evil by a majority of the X-men not too long ago. I feel like there needs to be an explanation for such a shift.

Gripes aside, there are interesting concepts with Krakoa but the character interactions so far are what's lacking for me. At this point I feel much more interested in how characters view things. Scott being one of them. But hey, at least #7 seems to be the start of something.

I agree that choice is important here. Though we can always consider power dynamics that might reshape or reframe the idea of choice (what other choice is there to make if you desperately want your powers back)? What power do you have other than comply to get what you so strongly desire?

I think these are great questions to ask. I also think the circumstances leading to such a choice should also be considered. Is this also the best way to limit others from another action?

[xiyon]

I love that cyclops is finally seeing through the bull**** of Professor x. His starting to question things

That story was already told a decade ago, though. It was done in X-Men Legacy, and ended with Xavier coming to accept that Cyke's grown up and Cyke coming to terms that Xavier's manipulations were not with malicious intent (or something along those lines, if memories serves correctly). I just remember it was (supposed to be) a huge step forward in the development of Cyke and Xavier.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

I think that slightly bugs me as well. The proactive view that's now in use with Krakoa was considered evil by a majority of the X-men not too long ago. I feel like there needs to be an explanation for such a shift.

Imagine Cyke trying to hold a Crucible back in 2010.

[xiyon]

Imagine Cyke trying to hold a Crucible back in 2010.

Do you want to break this forum, Fluffster? XD Because that's exactly what would have happened!

[AJpyro]

https://twitter.com/RedClops123/stat...118029825?s=20

I believe this person shares Xiyon's misgivings on the Cyke situation.

[xiyon]

https://twitter.com/RedClops123/stat...118029825?s=20

I believe this person shares Xiyon's misgivings on the Cyke situation.

Remember all the shite Cyke (and his fans) took just for him allying with Magneto? And how we had to bring up Magneto's history running the school as our defense? And then the same critics praised Magneto for backstabbing Cyke during BMB's run while supporting his killing spree during his solo as justified?



In a similar vein, I forgot who said it-- as I just remember it was one of the forum members during the heated AvX debates, but someone said the X-Office makes you feel exactly what they want you to feel. That is, they're not bumbling idiots who don't know how to write a story. Whoever said it, they were right.

Since then, Breevort (iirc) admitted the X-Books were not prioritized pre-Movie rights acquisition because DisMarvel wouldn't get 100% of its sales and that controversy, no matter how low-hanging, sells books, and Rosenbubbles admitted he had free reign to turn the X-setting as dire as possible so that Hickman's relaunch / wiping the slate clean would appear like a godsend.

[xiyon]

There's more to the tweet. And I'm definitely vibing with this dude.

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This is pretty much also why I find Hickman's relaunch / retcon so brilliant, even if I don't agree with his voice for the entire cast: he has an in-universe excuse to cherry-pick continuity at will, meaning he can willfully ignore the mess that was post-AvX & pre-HoX/PoX. That said, it also makes this whole era feel-- at least, to me-- like Hickman just flexing how smart he is by telling the story he wants, rather than tell a, well, "X-Men" story. Granted, the story Hickman seems to want to tell is one that shifts / progresses the X-Men's status quo to the logical extreme, so ymmv.

The silver lining in all of this is there's no way Cyke can be scapegoated (again) when Hickman, again by his own design and implied in his own interview, decides to tear Krakoa down. Or at least, I hope so. My tiny brain certainly can't find an angle.

[AJpyro]

Maybe Scott is the first one who out and out speaks his misgivings and when things turn to crap, hr is blamed for poisoning the good vibes.

[Gray Lensman]

Maybe Scott is the first one who out and out speaks his misgivings and when things turn to crap, hr is blamed for poisoning the good vibes.

Nope. He'll be the second one to speak out, get all the blame for the first, who will be lionized for taking a stand. The next person after Scott to speak up will also be hailed as a hero too. It's not just that it's only wrong when Scott does it, it becomes wrong when he does it as well.

[xiyon]

Maybe Scott is the first one who out and out speaks his misgivings and when things turn to crap, hr is blamed for poisoning the good vibes.

Nope. He'll be the second one to speak out, get all the blame for the first, who will be lionized for taking a stand. The next person after Scott to speak up will also be hailed as a hero too. It's not just that it's only wrong when Scott does it, it becomes wrong when he does it as well.

I once made the joke that Cyke's dead corpse was the only thing keeping the X-Books alive in the past decade. It was a bit tongue-in-cheek about how entire storylines / narratives were literally driven by hating on Cyke for something he did or didn't do (IvX, anyone???).

I'm hoping that won't be true when the sales for Hickman's run will inevitably drop (not for lack of, well, "quality"; just the typical diminishing returns)...

..ugh, it feels filthy placing my hope in the X-Office, given their track record. When will I learn? XD

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Nope. He'll be the second one to speak out, get all the blame for the first, who will be lionized for taking a stand. The next person after Scott to speak up will also be hailed as a hero too. It's not just that it's only wrong when Scott does it, it becomes wrong when he does it as well.

Next week on The Krakoan and the Restless: Scott Summers walks into a meeting holding his ex-wife's hand only to callously peck his boyfriend AND girlfriend on the cheek! In front of aforementioned ex-wife! Because he's a jerk and pure evil!

[TheDeadSpace]

Nope. He'll be the second one to speak out, get all the blame for the first, who will be lionized for taking a stand. The next person after Scott to speak up will also be hailed as a hero too. It's not just that it's only wrong when Scott does it, it becomes wrong when he does it as well.

Lol, it kind of seems like that sometimes.

Maybe Scott is the first one who out and out speaks his misgivings and when things turn to crap, hr is blamed for poisoning the good vibes.

I can see Scott getting blamed for attempting to "ruin" everyone's "happiness".

[xiyon]

Lol, it kind of seems like that sometimes.

I can see Scott getting blamed for attempting to "ruin" everyone's "happiness".

<Scott is the whistleblower>
X-Fans: It's all Scott Summers' fault!

<Scott supports the whistleblower>
X-Fans: What a bandwagoner!

<Scott supports the sinking ship>
X-Fans: See! He was evil all along!

<Scott does nothing>
X-Fans: This is why Scott is a poor leader!

<Scott sips on his morning coffee>
X-Fans: He put too much sugar!

<Scott dies again>
X-Fans: What a kill-joy!

Come at me! I'm ready!

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Gotta say, I'm kinda surprised you didn't bring up anything Rectangle-related.