Dick Grayson: Robin / Nightwing Appreciation 2020

[AmiMizuno]

I'm saying if we want him to travel why not get Haley's Circus involved? He can easily make that his base.

[Rac7d*]

I'm saying if we want him to travel why not get Haley's Circus involved? He can easily make that his base.

Becuase joker blew it up
And circuses are dead

[Ascended]

Fair point. ARGUS in Arrow and the DEO in Supergirl do seem to do pretty much the same thing. I guess they overlap in the comics too?

Them and a good dozen or more other agencies, yes.

There's a few minor differences between them all, of course, but generally they're all either military branches designed to deal with superhumans or intelligence agencies designed to deal with superhumans. In the broad strokes, groups like the DEO (or the DMA, or the.....) operate like the FBI while groups like Argus (and the Human Defense Corps, and the....) operate like branches of the military.

The entire spy corner of the DCU has been a poorly defined mess since forever and one of the first things Bendis agreed to do was provide some much-needed consistency, but all he got to do was his opening salvo with Leviathan before DC was thrown into chaos, so while all those redundant groups are gone, the spy corner is still an ill-defined mess. Rumor is Bendis will be doing his next Leviathan story after all, so maybe this will get fixed after all. Eventually.

Nighwing ain't gettin no spin-off. They'll go with redhood, batgirl or robin first. But whatever nightwing's a dead end Dick! Dick would be better off going to robin or agent 37. Nightwings a waste of time.

Not that I'm saying there *won't* be a Red Hood or Batgirl spinoff, but the only people who thought Nightwing didn't have any potential were fired from DC this past summer (and good riddance). From what I've heard Dick quickly became the unofficial mascot of the DCU app, with his face plastered on everything, and his transition to Nightwing was well received (I don't have the app and have never watched the shows so I have no personal opinion on it). When it comes to larger media, the people involved seem to recognize Dick's value far more than the fools who've been screwing up the comics in recent years.

Anyone who thinks Nightwing isn't viable is simply thinking too small. Dude has a larger media profile that goes back further than most A-listers, and even as Nightwing has featured prominently in larger media for decades.

[Godlike13]

Why would Titans spin off Nightwing when he’s pretty much the lead of the show.

[Ascended]

Why would Titans spin off Nightwing when he’s pretty much the lead of the show.

I'd think it more likely that Titans is cancelled and Dick moves into a show of his own. From the clips I've seen (which isn't much to go on) Titans isn't exactly high quality television, and DC wouldn't lose much (if anything) by dropping the characters and team setting and just focusing on Dick. He seems to be the best part of it anyway.

I'm not saying it'll happen or anything, and I got no real dog in this fight since I don't watch the show anyway, but solo characters have been spun out of ensemble shows before. I doubt the odds are very good but it doesn't seem *impossible* either.

[Godlike13]

They seem happy with Titans so far. I think they even renewed it for a 4th season already. Spin offs happens sure, but like the show or not to spin off Dick would cut the legs out from under the show.

[Ascended]

They do seem satisfied with its performance (last I knew). I think it was even one of the top streaming shows it's first season? I'm not saying it's a failure, simply that the clips I've seen haven't impressed me personally.

And I'm not saying they'll cut the legs off the show, I'm saying it's not impossible that when it ends (for whatever reason it ends) they might move Dick to a show of his own (a continuation or reboot or whatever). He's essentially the star you say? Kinda proves that the people behind the camera recognize his value.

I'm just disagreeing with the notion that nobody would even *consider* using him as a solo act. That's some Dan Didio thinking, but Didio is gone folks, and he can't hurt us anymore.

[Darkcrusade25]

Ngl I could go with Titans being cancelled and NW getting his own series. I’m sure they could invest the CGI money towards even more enhanced scenes and giving the show better quality in terms of writing and filming

[Rac7d*]

Why would Titans spin off Nightwing when he’s pretty much the lead of the show.

Becuase Tim is coming

Which makes the Teen Titans can finally come together with beast boy and raven. I am curious to see how Barbra Gordon reoccurring appearance next season goes. I find it incredible that we will have comics that may mirror something happening in a larger media. The way manga does with anime

[AmiMizuno]

Why can't Dick just go off on his own no group or anything. We already have so many groups already. Dick can easily just do his own thing. If he finds people along away than yea they can just be one of the people who join his supporting cast but with how Dc is there shouldn't be any new groups

Circuses aren’t completely die just traveling ones. At least in the USA. If anything many people love acrobats. So Dick can easily still just be a in something like magic acts or working somewhere that can make him travel. I knew he can work in casinos or something else that can help him travel.

Plus even if Joker blew it up doesn’t mean it can’t be retcon. Dc isn’t one right now for continuity

[Badou]

The Titans show is terrible, but it gets good ratings because of the name brand I guess. So a spinoff feels unlikely for Dick if he is still stuck leading the show.

I thought the series should have just been a Nightwing series from the start, but I don't think Dick will be the one with a spinoff if that ever happens. Red Hood is probably the best bet as he is kind of the breakout character on the show that has generated the most attention. If they do any kind of spinoff it would probably be set in Gotham too as that is what they are setting up this season with moving the team there, and Bruce in this universe is kind of old. The actor playing him is 60. So if on the small chance they give Dick a spinoff it would be him in Gotham taking over for Bruce probably.


Also on a random note I'm not a big fan of the bird head on Nightwing' costume in the comics I think. Every time I see it I keep thinking it is an art error, lol.

[Digifiend]

And circuses are dead

Really? Never heard of Cirque du Soleil?

[AmiMizuno]

Really?

Never heard of Cirque du Soleil?

Does Cirque Du Soleli travel?

[Ascended]

The Titans show is terrible, but it gets good ratings because of the name brand I guess. So a spinoff feels unlikely for Dick if he is still stuck leading the show.

It definitely won't happen while Titans is still on the air. And it likely won't happen after it's over either, but there's a lot of solid business reasons, as well as creative ones, to give it serious consideration.

And yknow, I'm not ready to give up on my optimism yet. We haven't really seen how the new DC will prioritize or how it'll interact with the larger media efforts. But things already look way better than they did six months ago, so who knows? I wouldn't bet money on it but maybe Dick will actually get a little quality attention. Crazier things have happened.

Just pointing it out; right now we know Dick is getting a solo title in March with a high-end writer. Aquaman, Supergirl, Shazam, Red Hood, Batgirl (any of them), and a whole host of other well known characters thus far have nothing.

Also on a random note I'm not a big fan of the bird head on Nightwing' costume in the comics I think. Every time I see it I keep thinking it is an art error, lol.

I support the bird emblem purely for marketing purposes, but I think I agree; the chevron seems a stronger design choice. And I tend to dislike the chevron-with-a-bird-head versions they sometimes do.

[Konja7]

I really like Tom Taylor writing in general, but I'm not so sure he is high-end writer.

His elseworld comics where he use all DC Universe sell a lot. However, sales of Suicide Squad's floppies were pretty low.


I agree that DC seems to have more expectatives for Nightwing than other characters. Although I think they put Barbara in Nightwing comic (and it seems to be the only place where she is Batgirl), because they really hope this will increase sales.