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    I know its been discussed on here before to generally mixed reception, but the only thing that really comes to mind is taking on a sidekick (Damian or otherwise) or taking a mentorship role by expanding the Titans X-Men style.

    There's some obvious hangups, both ideas have already been explored to some degree, such as with Damian, and it also runs the risk of making Dick take the backseat in his own title to develop new or younger characters. But I feel as though a natural progression for the DCU's first sidekick would be to take on one of his own. The previously mentioned pitfalls could be avoided by careful writing to keep the focus on Dick. To make the stories a reflection of his own time as a sidekick, using his insights and experiences to guide his teaching methods. Everyone before Dick started this as independently as an adult- he is the first one to have grown up in this universe. He can empathize with the frustrations of sidekicks, and could perhaps better gauge their capabilities and manage their frustrations. Focusing on this insight as well as contrasting his mentorship versus the mentorship that he received from Batman could keep the focus on Dick.

    There's some other obvious potential benefits that have been discussed to this, such as building up the Nightwing brand. Throw the kid on the Teen Titans or Young Justice to build the presence of Nightwing in the universe alongside Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc. Have Damian express insecurities about feelings of jealousy and replacement if Dick takes on a new sidekick.

    Better or more ideas are welcome of course. He could buy a house and get a mortgage or something.
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    I always support giving Damian to Dick if the Bat title isn't gonna do anything with him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    I do think you are touching on something though, how do you build on Dick’s maturation going forward. With the catch that you don’t want to age the world, and don’t want to just do the same thing that was done with those around him. Cause I’m sorry but that’s boring.
    You do it by focusing on Dick, not the people *around* him.

    The next step of Dick's maturation doesn't have to mean he gets married, has a kid, and buys a house in the suburbs. It can mean Dick taking on a unique role in the hero community, stepping up his game to play a larger role against more important threats, establishing stable career. Or any number of things. The Grayson series gave us a taste of what the "next step evolution" could look like, as has Young Justice season 3, but it doesn't necessarily have to be either "super spy" or "hunter of metahuman trafficking."

    So, something like Dick becoming the owner of Haly's Circus/Casino/Civic Center and focusing on taking down organized crime rings around the world or hunting down corruption within business and/or politics? That would be the "next step maturation" we're talking about, without Dick having to become a father or get married or anything else that makes him "look older."

    If the NTT were college, then Dick now should be that "young hotshot professional" who's setting his industry on fire with bold, brave new thinking and big risks. The guy who has enough experience to be comfortable and competent at the job but isn't part of the old guard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ascended View Post
    You do it by focusing on Dick, not the people *around* him.

    The next step of Dick's maturation doesn't have to mean he gets married, has a kid, and buys a house in the suburbs. It can mean Dick taking on a unique role in the hero community, stepping up his game to play a larger role against more important threats, establishing stable career. Or any number of things. The Grayson series gave us a taste of what the "next step evolution" could look like, as has Young Justice season 3, but it doesn't necessarily have to be either "super spy" or "hunter of metahuman trafficking."

    So, something like Dick becoming the owner of Haly's Circus/Casino/Civic Center and focusing on taking down organized crime rings around the world or hunting down corruption within business and/or politics? That would be the "next step maturation" we're talking about, without Dick having to become a father or get married or anything else that makes him "look older."

    If the NTT were college, then Dick now should be that "young hotshot professional" who's setting his industry on fire with bold, brave new thinking and big risks. The guy who has enough experience to be comfortable and competent at the job but isn't part of the old guard.
    All dick really needs is for DC to focus on these 3 basic concepts for nightwing.

    1) His independence. DC needs to start having nightwing feel like he's his own hero. Not a supporting character, sidekick, adult Robin or substitute Batman.

    2) His relativince. Nightwing needs to start feeling relative and impactful to the greater dcu, like he has high status in the hero community.

    3) His mission. Nightwing needs a stable long term direction. One the fits dicks character and allow nightwing to stand apart from batman. No batman lite. Something like nightwing is the globetrotting action hero and batman is the city based detective. Nightwing and Batman needs to be different concepts as different as Dick is form Bruce and not two different generations of the samething.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pohzee View Post
    I know its been discussed on here before to generally mixed reception, but the only thing that really comes to mind is taking on a sidekick (Damian or otherwise) or taking a mentorship role by expanding the Titans X-Men style.
    I like that direction for the Titans franchise, whether Dick is a part of it or not, but it would be very difficult to keep it from feeling derivative.


    As for a sidekick, I really don't think the pushback against it is as well thought out as it pretends to be. Sure, a bad a writer or a writer who doesn't care about Dick could use the sidekick to do sideline Dick, but I don't think that's a greater risk than the same bad writer trying to spend time developing a new villain they like at the expense of Dick or phoning in their issues. Bad writers will write poorly.

    As for candidates... I've always been partial to Lor Zod, or maybe a main universe Val Zod. Depower them a little, say to Superboy from YJ levels. Boom. Dick training a kryptonian... I dig it.

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    What about Dick gaining a partner? Not romantically but a crime-fighting one?

    I'd suggest Flamebird because DC's not doing anything with her and we could have another former Titans member

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukiakari1203 View Post
    What about Dick gaining a partner? Not romantically but a crime-fighting one?

    I'd suggest Flamebird because DC's not doing anything with her and we could have another former Titans member
    Dick definitely works best when he has a partner of some sort. The Grayson series really benefited from this, first with Helena and later Tiger. I think that a sidekick/protege works best, but I think a partner who is a little bit closer to an equal would work as well. What is clear to me is that he needs to be the senior partner, either with a sidekick who is clearly his junior or with a partner who is capable in their own right but ultimately takes their lead from Dick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukiakari1203 View Post
    What about Dick gaining a partner? Not romantically but a crime-fighting one?

    I'd suggest Flamebird because DC's not doing anything with her and we could have another former Titans member
    lol he already has a crime fighting partner

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    Quote Originally Posted by WonderNight View Post
    All dick really needs is for DC to focus on these 3 basic concepts for nightwing.
    For the broad stroke basics, absolutely.

    I also made a list of traits that every A-list property checks off, and DC doing something like that for Dick, seeing where his mythos is weak and putting in some work to fix that and fill in those blanks, would go a long way towards a self-sustaining Nightwing as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rac7d* View Post
    lol he already has a crime fighting partner
    You mean Batgirl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    You mean Batgirl?
    I think that's what they mean. She's not exactly a partner. They live in separate cities and are more occasional allies who are romantically involved.

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    Jumping back on the thread for the first time in forever. Any thing new with Dick? Is he still Ric at this point?
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    He did have Rose that he trained. However, we need to have a storyline where it changes locations. Yea he is living in Bludhaven but he needs to travel. Maybe if we take YJ. young heroes are being taken and he uses Haley Cirucs's as a cover

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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd156 View Post
    Jumping back on the thread for the first time in forever. Any thing new with Dick? Is he still Ric at this point?
    Not really. He’s still Ric, but the end is near. For Ric and his book.

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    I hope they stop repeating this. What stories are you all hoping for? Also if we have to what should be the guidelines in Dick being used in Batman and other Batfam books?

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