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    Quote Originally Posted by OWL45 View Post
    He could use it as a place to develop and train people with special talent kind of like the COO did with the recruits to develop heroes or vigilantes by night. Circus performers by day.
    Thats actually not bad. Nightwing and The Owls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    Thats actually not bad. Nightwing and The Owls.
    What about The Flock

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    That works too. The first thing that popped to my head was Nightwing finds a collection of sleeping Talons and tries to save them using Haley’s and turning it into refuge for them now. Them all being Circus family so to speak. Jurgan’s made Cobb into some mustash twirling villain as if he was Court management, but if he actually bothered to do proper research Talons were actually just tools warped and turned to monsters by the Court.
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    That's really good. And if they are okay then they can help Dick once they truth him. Giving him any information they have. Also the talons young or old? For me since Dick has always been good with young kids and teens maybe they can be mixed ages.

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    If I remember right, the Talons operate on a regular basis until they're edging out of their primes, probably mid-late 20's or so. Then they get frozen to ensure they don't age out of being useful, and are thawed out only when they have a mission. Then it's back to the ice.

    Basically just like what was done to the Winter Soldier, if I remember right. Old enough to be both experienced and still at their physical peak, and kept on ice so they stay there.

    So if Dick found a bunch of frozen Talons, they'd probably be around his age or older. But it's been a long time since I read that stuff so I could be remembering wrong.
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    Maybe to expand they can have children too. They were going to do it to Diamain.

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    I think the Court did recruit young, they just didn't freeze anyone until they were adults. Weren't they getting ready to nab Dick after his parents died, but Bruce got there first? They definitely indoctrinate their assassins at a young age, there's just no reason to freeze them until they're getting older and you want to squeeze as much out of the investment as possible.

    Assuming I remember this right, of course.

    Anyway, I'm fine with the idea of Haly's being a training ground. Court refugees or Spyral orphans or whatever, Dick's at his best when he's got some kids to teach and Haly's, whether it's a circus, casino, or varied entertainment venue, is a good place to do that.

    Now, if only DC could get a writer with ideas half as good as what this forum throws out on a daily basis, and half as much passion for the character.....

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    So we have a storyline. So Dick goes undercover as an acrobat. HE does because he hears about children going missing. He kicks out the court and trains the children for using their talent for good. So what happens to the children next? Are they going to be sent to the Teen Titans? or just a new team that Dick creates?

    We can have Haley's be all three. Like someone said Haley's will travel but will also be a Bludhaven near the entertainment scene. Due to this some of the performs will work for the casinos to get some exposure for the circus. Which can have Dick be spying around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
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    Elements of black and gray akin to the Young Justice cartoon. The bird on the chest was definitely blue, I'm pretty sure the red tended to be a couple of very subtle pinstripes, pads and details on some of the designwork. The most notable and easy to remember part is that the design came together so that the tips of the feathers on the bird's wings jumped from blue to red. But it was simple, not overcomplicated, and pretty light on both colors. The biggest pop of color was the blue bird emblem. Everything else was subtle detailing, and the red was a mid-tone red. Red enough to be red, deep enough not to be bright, and muted enough not to seem like neon or anything.
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    Well, look who made it back in time for Death Metal (heís next to Supergirl and Wonder Womanís shoulder). Direct from Snyderís twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sifighter View Post
    Well, look who made it back in time for Death Metal (heís next to Supergirl and Wonder Womanís shoulder). Direct from Snyderís twitter.

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    Well hello there gorgeous. Come here often?

    It's hard to tell but is he wearing the costume from the epilogue of Doomsday Clock, the one that is basically just the old DCAU version with the actual bird/wing emblem?
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    Hope this is a step in the right direction

    Okay if we have Haley's Circus. Okay, who is the supporting cast? I mean yeah we have Dick saving both Talons and children who were indoctrinated. Okay they are supporting cast. But to keep building his world. Maybe add Zatanna since it's needed the entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sifighter View Post
    Well, look who made it back in time for Death Metal (he’s next to Supergirl and Wonder Woman’s shoulder). Direct from Snyder’s twitter.

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    From left to right, Booster Gold, Green Arrow, Black Lightning, Mister Miracle, Harley Quinn (with a shaved head - the pants make it obvious it's her), ???, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Supergirl, Beast Boy (with a beard instead of just sideburns - he's clearly been aged up), Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Atom (Ray Palmer)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    From left to right, Booster Gold, Green Arrow, Black Lightning, Mister Miracle, Harley Quinn (with a shaved head - the pants make it obvious it's her), ???, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Supergirl, Beast Boy (with a beard instead of just sideburns - he's clearly been aged up), Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Atom (Ray Palmer)?
    I think the ??? one might be Swamp Thing, hard to tell but in other art I've seen Swamp Thing has been dilapidated and on fire. Also I like Beast Boy being here, he and the teen titans/titans got sidelined in the last Metal event so its cool to see him alongside Dick.
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    Yeah pretty sure that's Swamp Thing.

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    Okay if we have Haley's Circus. Okay, who is the supporting cast? I mean yeah we have Dick saving both Talons and children who were indoctrinated. Okay they are supporting cast. But to keep building his world. Maybe add Zatanna since it's needed the entertainment.
    For supporting cast you can bring back Haly. Pretty much everyone else from the New52 (Higgins?) run is dead (and not worth bringing back) or evil. But Haly would/should be a linchpin supporting cast member; Dick's Alfred.

    Were there any circus names mentioned back in the Golden Age? Any performers who spoke with the Graysons that could be brought back into the fold and/or have kids now performing? I can't think of any off the top of my head but maybe someone who's read an Archive more recently will know?

    The Talons-in-training that Dick saves would largely have to be original characters, but you could sneak in Calvin Rose (star of the short******d Talon solo) and Strix, the female Talon from Birds of Prey. Both characters are non-entities most of us have forgotten, with just enough of a character for a writer to build on. They'd be well suited for a position in the supporting cast where they perform and take care of the kids.

    Zatanna, I'd be real damn careful about her. She should absolutely be a regular guest star, but making her a permanent part of the book.....that's a delicate balance. I'm all about Dick dating Power Girl, so I believe that kind of dynamic can be maintained long-term, but it's not the easiest thing to pull off without Zee looking inept or Dick looking helpless.

    Then you'd have regular customers at Haly's who may or may not be established characters (depending on where Haly's is set), etc.
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