Dick Grayson: Robin / Nightwing Appreciation 2020

[Ascended]

Yeah, you don't see a circus like you used to. But there's still plenty of stuff that's pretty close. You still have county fairs and the more elegant stuff like cirque du soleil. I think we can still say that Haly's was one of the last active, old school circuses when Dick was a kid....but realistically it might be too late for that, even. But if/when a future update or reboot wants to mix it up there's still options out there that get the job done.

And if people in the DCU still read newspapers and fly in blimps, maybe they still go to the circus too?

[Godlike13]

I still see small circuses from time to time pop up.

[Restingvoice]

Really think this is far too simplistic man. I think that Mr. Haly being the first in a long line to ringleaders to refuse to play along with the court strengthens his character, preserves Dick "safe" home, and still allows the Court to exist and have used Haly's as a recruiting ground for a long, long time. To your point that DC will keep the Owls over Haly's, I'll agree, but I think DC cares very little for the Haly's aspect of it because that was tied so closely to Dick rather than Bruce. They could lose that aspect and DC wouldn't even blink.

C.C. Haly didn't refuse to hand Dick to The Court, Bruce just got there first, and Haly had to settle with handing their second best. He only regretted it, as far as we know, in his old age, as the not-Talon went after him, so he decided to hand Dick the Circus as a confession and apology

[Celgress]

Circus kids were never common place. As an orgin I think it still works fine, as a direction for him as an adult. Not so much.

A valid point.

[WonderNight]

Hey what do you guys think of the new character punchline becoming dick's "Joker". I looked at interviews talking about her character, she contrast nightwing in the same way joker does batman. Plus she already seems a breakout star (with both her debut selling out).

Oh for grayson fans dr.netz is back.

[Badou]

Dick's "Joker" being a Joker lackey isn't something I would be interested in. Though in general I'm not fond of the idea of trying to force Dick to have his own "Joker" as it feels contrived to me. It feels like her character is set up to be more of a adversary of Harley Quinn too anyway.

[L.H.]

Have you heard about the Nightwing spin off to be set in the Murphyverse? I think this could be interesting.

[WonderNight]

Dick's "Joker" being a Joker lackey isn't something I would be interested in. Though in general I'm not fond of the idea of trying to force Dick to have his own "Joker" as it feels contrived to me. It feels like her character is set up to be more of a adversary of Harley Quinn too anyway.

I mainly agree but since dc want's him in the batman lite role so bad they mine as well go full stop. Dick currently is the " batman of bludhaven" so why not a joker (and robin).

[dropkickjake]

C.C. Haly didn't refuse to hand Dick to The Court, Bruce just got there first, and Haly had to settle with handing their second best. He only regretted it, as far as we know, in his old age, as the not-Talon went after him, so he decided to hand Dick the Circus as a confession and apology

Yeah, I was talking about potential for a retcon there.

I mainly agree but since dc want's him in the batman lite role so bad they mine as well go full stop. Dick currently is the " batman of bludhaven" so why not a joker (and robin).

Yeah this is all just terrible though. Dick needing to be Batman Lite: Bad. It only gets worse as you try to make everything in his life a knockoff version of something Bruce has.

Dick's "Joker" being a Joker lackey isn't something I would be interested in. Though in general I'm not fond of the idea of trying to force Dick to have his own "Joker" as it feels contrived to me. It feels like her character is set up to be more of a adversary of Harley Quinn too anyway.

Agreed with this entirely.

Circus kids were never common place. As an orgin I think it still works fine, as a direction for him as an adult. Not so much.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of him joining the circus, honestly. It was alright for one story arc under Higgins where dick owned the thing and traveled with it, but as a long term direction I'm not a fan. Much more a fan of him opening a casino in Bludhaven or Amusement Mile in Gotham.

[Rac7d*]

Dick's "Joker" being a Joker lackey isn't something I would be interested in. Though in general I'm not fond of the idea of trying to force Dick to have his own "Joker" as it feels contrived to me. It feels like her character is set up to be more of a adversary of Harley Quinn too anyway.

I like Prank from the Chicago arc

[Badou]

I like Prank from the Chicago arc

He was a character editorial forced on Higgins. He didn't even want to use him if I remember correctly, and had other plans with an unused villain being a former sidekick of a Chicago hero and turn Tony Zucco into Dick's Joker.

[Ascended]

Have you heard about the Nightwing spin off to be set in the Murphyverse? I think this could be interesting.

Haven't read any of Murphy's stuff but I'm always looking for quality Nightwing stories. If he did it, and it was good, great!

Hey what do you guys think of the new character punchline becoming dick's "Joker". I looked at interviews talking about her character, she contrast nightwing in the same way joker does batman. Plus she already seems a breakout star (with both her debut selling out).

Oh for grayson fans dr.netz is back.

Awful idea.

The Joker is Batman's arch nemesis. The most serious of serious threats. The #1 bad guy in Gotham. Making Dick's nemesis equivalent his f*cking sidekick? How does that benefit Dick? I guess it's a grand idea if you think Nightwing is nothing more than a sidekick himself....

It'd be fine if he was still a Robin. The parallels are obviously there (and part of the reason I got such a kick out of Dick and Harley in that cartoon). But for someone who's supposed to be an independent, solo hero? I think it's actually a worse idea than Ric. Seriously, the idea of Punchline, or any Gotham villain sidekick, Dick's nemesis.....DC trying that might actually make me leave in disgust.

Besides, DC doesn't just decide who the nemesis is. That's not how it works. A nemesis evolves after years of continued use, acclaimed stories and cool moments, building a high profile and fan demand. Showing up in a popular adaptation doesn't hurt either. DC can push a villain, intending it to be Dick's nemesis, but they don't control all the variables.

I think Blockbuster is as close to a nemesis as Dick has. He's about the only villain who appears in the comics consistently. And I think Pyg is in the running, maybe, since he's appeared in Dick's book a few times; if that keeps up Pyg could steal the crown.

[WonderNight]

Haven't read any of Murphy's stuff but I'm always looking for quality Nightwing stories. If he did it, and it was good, great!



Awful idea.

The Joker is Batman's arch nemesis. The most serious of serious threats. The #1 bad guy in Gotham. Making Dick's nemesis equivalent his f*cking sidekick? How does that benefit Dick? I guess it's a grand idea if you think Nightwing is nothing more than a sidekick himself....

It'd be fine if he was still a Robin. The parallels are obviously there (and part of the reason I got such a kick out of Dick and Harley in that cartoon). But for someone who's supposed to be an independent, solo hero? I think it's actually a worse idea than Ric. Seriously, the idea of Punchline, or any Gotham villain sidekick, Dick's nemesis.....DC trying that might actually make me leave in disgust.

Besides, DC doesn't just decide who the nemesis is. That's not how it works. A nemesis evolves after years of continued use, acclaimed stories and cool moments, building a high profile and fan demand. Showing up in a popular adaptation doesn't hurt either. DC can push a villain, intending it to be Dick's nemesis, but they don't control all the variables.

I think Blockbuster is as close to a nemesis as Dick has. He's about the only villain who appears in the comics consistently. And I think Pyg is in the running, maybe, since he's appeared in Dick's book a few times; if that keeps up Pyg could steal the crown.

oh well lol, guess you guys don't like it cool.

But no I'm not the one that views nightwing as a sidekick, DC does! How many batman posters with nightwing being just another face in a big crowd do fans need to see before they get that. DC views nightwing as just another Robin or batgirl to batman.

If I had my way nightwing would be in a different office and his solo would be a globetrotting espionage team up book with characters character like Wally, Donna and Superman teaming up.

I don't want batman lite but that's the box DC has put him in.

[Godlike13]

Nightwing is below sidekick even. The harsh reality is that even Punchline is above Nightwing in how DC views him. He’s nothing but a fodder character. They’ll use him to pad her status, but nothing more. Nightwing just exists to feed bottom of the charts creators they like having around. That is the purpose of the character and his title now. To just give guys like Lobdell and Jurgan’s something to do.

[Ascended]

oh well lol, guess you guys don't like it cool.

I don't want batman lite but that's the box DC has put him in.

Just to clarify, I have absolutely nothing against Dick fighting Punchline or Harley or any other villain's sidekick. There's potent story material there. I actually wish Dick would run into Harley more often, because they share that "former sidekick" thing. So yeah, by all means have Punchline or whoever show up.

Just don't decide that's gonna be Dick's big bad number 1 villain.

But DC absolutely thinks of Nightwing as nothing more than a sidekick, despite the fandom saying otherwise. So that's probably what they'll try.

EDIT: Oh, I didn't think *you* were saying this about Punchline being Dick's big bad, I meant a general "you" not you you specifically. Sorry if there was a miscommunication!