Dick Grayson: Robin / Nightwing Appreciation 2020

[K7P5V]

I'm curious if DC ever did this whole Dick has a kid would it be a good or bad idea? I mean the issue is we know it won't last.

If we're going to bring up Dick watching over a kid, then my all-time favorite is Grayson & Bat-Baby:

I'd love to have Mar'i from Kingdom Come as canon, together with the others Titans kids. Her love story with Damian is great.

Agreed. Even though Dick was against it, the relationship Mar'i had with Ibn al Xu'ffasch was most enjoyable.

[Rac7d*]

Timothee Chalamet... which Robin is he playing? My guess is Dick (because the Reeves'movie is partially based on Long Halloween) or at least Damian

If he ain’t Asian he gonna get hell

[AmiMizuno]

What makes Mari likable?

[Restingvoice]

....What?!

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[batnbreakfast]

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Must be the isolation. Hurts my thinking. He's in Dune and I thought... there's our guy

[SiegePerilous02]

If we're going to bring up Dick watching over a kid, then my all-time favorite is Grayson & Bat-Baby:

I don't care what DC decides is officially in canon (this week) or not, for me this whole bat-**** event still 100% happened.

[AmiMizuno]

Okay. So I know in New Order Mari is there and Dick did have a son. Should they ever be in cannon? By that even if Dick doesn't get with Starfire she still exist in the mutiverse.

[Jackalope89]

Okay. So I know in New Order Mari is there and Dick did have a son. Should they ever be in cannon? By that even if Dick doesn't get with Starfire she still exist in the mutiverse.

Mari in New Order? Not to my knowledge. It was just the son in that one.

Personally though? Not a fan of the IbnxMar'i thing, as at this point in time, she would be his niece. But I would like to see her brought in.

[AmiMizuno]

Okay. What if to make Dick more independent he goes back to the Cirus. I know that Haley's circus is taken over. But shouldn't that be an arc? Is Dick getting the Court to leave? what if Dc just skipped and made Nightwing a movie. Didn't do a origin.Just a simple flashback

[WonderNight]

Mari in New Order? Not to my knowledge. It was just the son in that one.

Personally though? Not a fan of the IbnxMar'i thing, as at this point in time, she would be his niece. But I would like to see her brought in.

Mar'I will never be brought in as long as nightwing's in the bat office.

[WonderNight]

Okay. What if to make Dick more independent he goes back to the Cirus. I know that Haley's circus is taken over. But shouldn't that be an arc? Is Dick getting the Court to leave?What if Dc just skipped and made Nightwing a movie. Didn't do a origin.Just a simple flashback

either what is happening with the batman movie they should fast track a nightwing movie.

Like I've said as long as dick's in the bat office he'll never be as independent as he should be. Maybe DC should change his name from nightwing to BatBoy!

The way he is right now it fits him better.

[Godlike13]

Mar'I will never be brought in as long as nightwing's in the bat office.

What is there to bring back? Mar’i was never brought into main existence in the first place. She is more relevant on tumblr then she ever has been in comics.

[Badou]

The circus isn't a strong enough setting to put him there permanently. It's fine for an arc, or at least it was until the Owls kind of ruined the "going back home" appeal it used to have I think, but it isn't a place where you can tell multiple stories without running into problems. It doesn’t have the breadth of resources to tell unique stories for long without falling into bad ideas or trappings of the past. Maybe if it had been used differently over the years I’d feel differently, but I just don’t think it works as a long term setting. So I'm fine with it just being closed down and Mr. Harley being retired if you want to bring them back from the dead.

Also it isn't a contemporary setting that works for modern stories. People don’t really view or go to the circus anymore like they did in the past. So even though comics are fantasy you’d be fighting against that. Although that doesn’t mean I want them to change Dick’s origin as the classic circus setting is still iconic even if they have fallen out of favor. Their colorful tent poles, performers, clowns, freak shows, animals, and ringmasters are all types of imagery that are iconic in America. Which is why when you tell stories of Dick’s past you can kind of break away from the modern sensibilities and setting to play around with those iconic imagery easier I feel like.

Of course there are still things you can do with Haly’s Circus. It isn’t useless. DC is releasing that original graphic novel about Dick’s past in the circus, but you can do other things with it as well. It’s a place that has been in the DCU forever and it is surprising DC connected so few characters to it. You’d think it would be this place where DC could pull all these weird and strange characters from, like a Deadman, magic users, or all these crazy Gotham villains, but they just never did.

I’ve thought about this for a while, but the single most interesting thing that has ever been done with the circus was what the Gotham TV show did with it. It was so brilliant I couldn’t believe that no DC comic writer didn’t already do it before. Which was to connect the Joker to Haly’s Circus. It feels so obvious. The most well-known villain in comics is a clown and you have an iconic character in Dick that is from the circus. How no one connected the dots before is unbelievable.

Now I didn’t like how the Gotham show went about connecting the Joker to Haly’s Circus, but the idea of just giving him some connection to it feels so obvious and it opens the door to a lot more stories while also propping up Haly’s. Just have the Joker as a young man (obviously before Batman was around) go work at Haly’s Circus and it could be where he developed his clown persona and his theatrical abilities.

You don’t need to go into who he was before that, he could have even used some fake name at the time, and it all still fits with who the character is. You could have him know who Mr. Haly was, him know Dick’s parents, and even have him meet and know a very young Dick Grayson which would be very creepy and eerie. It allows you to tie these new connections and build new stories off of them. Then just have the Joker leave some time before Bruce becomes Batman and nothing is lost. This would make for a good Black Label DC book given it seems they only make Black Label books about Batman, Joker or Harley Quinn, haha.

[Drako]

Pretty cool fan art by Vasco GEORGIEV:
https://twitter.com/vascogeorgiev/st...36524758859776

[AmiMizuno]

The circus isn't a strong enough setting to put him there permanently. It's fine for an arc, or at least it was until the Owls kind of ruined the "going back home" appeal it used to have I think, but it isn't a place where you can tell multiple stories without running into problems. It doesn’t have the breadth of resources to tell unique stories for long without falling into bad ideas or trappings of the past. Maybe if it had been used differently over the years I’d feel differently, but I just don’t think it works as a long term setting. So I'm fine with it just being closed down and Mr. Harley being retired if you want to bring them back from the dead.

Also it isn't a contemporary setting that works for modern stories. People don’t really view or go to the circus anymore like they did in the past. So even though comics are fantasy you’d be fighting against that. Although that doesn’t mean I want them to change Dick’s origin as the classic circus setting is still iconic even if they have fallen out of favor. Their colorful tent poles, performers, clowns, freak shows, animals, and ringmasters are all types of imagery that are iconic in America. Which is why when you tell stories of Dick’s past you can kind of break away from the modern sensibilities and setting to play around with those iconic imagery easier I feel like.

Of course there are still things you can do with Haly’s Circus. It isn’t useless. DC is releasing that original graphic novel about Dick’s past in the circus, but you can do other things with it as well. It’s a place that has been in the DCU forever and it is surprising DC connected so few characters to it. You’d think it would be this place where DC could pull all these weird and strange characters from, like a Deadman, magic users, or all these crazy Gotham villains, but they just never did.

I’ve thought about this for a while, but the single most interesting thing that has ever been done with the circus was what the Gotham TV show did with it. It was so brilliant I couldn’t believe that no DC comic writer didn’t already do it before. Which was to connect the Joker to Haly’s Circus. It feels so obvious. The most well-known villain in comics is a clown and you have an iconic character in Dick that is from the circus. How no one connected the dots before is unbelievable.

Now I didn’t like how the Gotham show went about connecting the Joker to Haly’s Circus, but the idea of just giving him some connection to it feels so obvious and it opens the door to a lot more stories while also propping up Haly’s. Just have the Joker as a young man (obviously before Batman was around) go work at Haly’s Circus and it could be where he developed his clown persona and his theatrical abilities.

You don’t need to go into who he was before that, he could have even used some fake name at the time, and it all still fits with who the character is. You could have him know who Mr. Haly was, him know Dick’s parents, and even have him meet and know a very young Dick Grayson which would be very creepy and eerie. It allows you to tie these new connections and build new stories off of them. Then just have the Joker leave some time before Bruce becomes Batman and nothing is lost. This would make for a good Black Label DC book given it seems they only make Black Label books about Batman, Joker or Harley Quinn, haha.

I had an idea. That Haley Circus is a cover. Dick is traveling City to City. Hunting down criminals. Well if we are going to keep him in Bludhaven easiest way is the casinos. He is one of the best acrobat shows they ever had.