Dick Grayson: Robin / Nightwing Appreciation 2020

[AmiMizuno]

For all of you what are the most important parts of Dick Grayson's history?

[Elmo]

For all of you what are the most important parts of Dick Grayson's history?

-circus kid
-first robin
-has been bruce's partner since his early days
-founded the titans
-was inspired by superman to become nightwing
-at some point, became batman
-his name is dick grayson

if a writer took everything away from Dick but made sure those core aspects of his history remained, i wouldn't be too upset

[Ascended]

For all of you what are the most important parts of Dick Grayson's history?

Hmm. Just in the broad strokes, and not giving this a ton of thought.....

Origin, death in the family (the fallout, anyway; I feel like this played a big part in the Dick-Bruce split), formation of the NTT, origin of Nightwing, almost-marriage to Kori, moving to Bludhaven (the first time), DickBats version 2, Spyral.

[AmiMizuno]

Sorry. I mean if they were to reboot Nightwing. What should stay and what should be thrown out. I think we can all agree about Rick. Like should Bludhaven be destroyed?

[Godlike13]

Bludhaven can be cut out, which is part of its problem. They continue to fail to make it a genuinely important to the character.

Seeley tried to rebuild it as something more unique, while acknowledging that there is nothing inherently there that grounds Dick to it, and so understood that this was something that they would have to built over time. Unfortunately the lazy creators who took over his book ignored that and just pretended it was. Insulting readers as if they don't know it hasn't just become this island they have chosen to maroon him on. Bludhaven now needs Nightwing, even though prior to Ric Nightwing was a new comer Bludhaven didn't want. It now also lack any resemblance to the Bludhaven in the beginning of the series, and fell back into the generic Gotham-lite of old. Proving Bludhaven to be nothing but a trap for lazy creators to more easily jump in and churn out traditional lazy stories with the same tired formulas that worked for other characters.

[Ascended]

Sorry. I mean if they were to reboot Nightwing. What should stay and what should be thrown out. I think we can all agree about Rick. Like should Bludhaven be destroyed?

Oh, I gotcha.

My list remains the same. I don't believe in reboots. They only ever cause problems, they are (almost) never the solution.

[AmiMizuno]

I would really think Bludhaven and Nightwing can work if done well. Almost any good writer can turn a dumb idea good. For example, Bludhaven can easily be an entertainment city. They have good movie studios there and a few other things going on. Nightwing does still help the city but if he has to leave the city will not burn. If we had to give him a job the easiest thing is a Private I or stunt man? I mean if we can use the Circus might as well find a job that allows him to travel. I mean if we can't have him living off him being a hero. Might as well made him use his other skills. I mean Bruce, JL, or the Wayne industry shouldn't be paying. Then again maybe the whole Job thing doesn't have to be known. I mean with the Private I thing is how does Dick get to be in contact with the police? Unless he was a cop but got fired for busting corrupted cops

[Godlike13]

It’s not that Bludhaven can’t work, but making Bludhaven work, truly work, requires more commitment and consistency then those managing the book are willing to put in. Rather then to truly provide the character with a unique and interesting setting creators can fill, as it is the point of Bludhaven is to just facilitate laziness.

Right now the laziness traps need to go, cause the people on the book have proven themselves to have very little professional integrity. They do not care if they are even producing a decent book, let alone a good one. So any excuse to be lazy they abuse. Dick needs those traps stripped away so that the people behind his book are forced to have to actually do their job with more consideration and effort. Grayson for example did that.

[qwazer07]

Bludhaven is whatever to me. What the book needs is a great creative team and a supporting editorial team. Love interest. Location. Job. All of these will come after. With enough talent anything could work.

[dropkickjake]

I've got no problem with reboots perse, but I'm not a fan of trying to make things fit into neat little timelines.

In any case, I think the essentials for Dick are:

• Circus origin
  Robin at a young age
  NTT
  Batman Reborn Era
  Grayson

For me, everything else can be either thrown out or heavily reconceptualized. Heck... there are certain things I might reconceptualize even among that list. Dick motives for infiltrating spyral, for example. I'd throw out the Forever Evil/Batman sending him on a mission in favor of Dick taking matters into his own hands.

[K7P5V]

Hmm. Just in the broad strokes, and not giving this a ton of thought.....

Origin, death in the family (the fallout, anyway; I feel like this played a big part in the Dick-Bruce split), formation of the NTT, origin of Nightwing, almost-marriage to Kori, moving to Bludhaven (the first time), DickBats version 2, Spyral.

I very much agree with this. And if it's not a bother, I would also like to add a personal favorite...

Batman: Prodigal

[Ascended]

[center]I very much agree with this. And if it's not a bother, I would also like to add a personal favorite...

Batman: Prodigal

I almost included this too, actually. It seems like this is when Dick and Bruce's relationship started to be mended after years of strife.

I didn't include it on my list mostly because I feel like Bruce sending Dick to Bludhaven was the real turning point. Prodigal felt like a father asking his son to mind the store while the old man ran to the bank, while Bludhaven was a much bigger show of trust and respect (and they still didn't get along until well after Dick had decided to stay there).

But I definitely agree Prodigal could be considered a milestone in Dick's history.

As far as reboots go.....if you're gonna reboot a character, then you shouldn't do what previous versions did, otherwise the reboot is even more stupid and pointless than reboots are in the first place. So about the only thing you need is "Dick becomes Robin" "Dick becomes a Titan" and "Dick becomes Nightwing" and that's it. The stuff I listed is what I figure are essential moments in Dick's life that have contributed to who he is and how we understand him as a character....but if you reboot him? None of it matters; it's a fresh start.

[AmiMizuno]

So I guess I should have said what would you want a retcon than a reboot.

[K7P5V]

I almost included this too, actually. It seems like this is when Dick and Bruce's relationship started to be mended after years of strife.

I didn't include it on my list mostly because I feel like Bruce sending Dick to Bludhaven was the real turning point. Prodigal felt like a father asking his son to mind the store while the old man ran to the bank, while Bludhaven was a much bigger show of trust and respect (and they still didn't get along until well after Dick had decided to stay there).

Can't argue with that, actually. Chuck Dixon deserves major props for his run on Bludhaven.

But I definitely agree Prodigal could be considered a milestone in Dick's history.

Thanks. Your response means a lot.

As far as reboots go.....if you're gonna reboot a character, then you shouldn't do what previous versions did, otherwise the reboot is even more stupid and pointless than reboots are in the first place. So about the only thing you need is "Dick becomes Robin" "Dick becomes a Titan" and "Dick becomes Nightwing" and that's it. The stuff I listed is what I figure are essential moments in Dick's life that have contributed to who he is and how we understand him as a character....but if you reboot him? None of it matters; it's a fresh start.

LOL! I totally get it.

As you said, Dick's history rests on a solid foundation. A good creative team can build upon that if they're willing to put their minds to it.

[WonderNight]

If I was to reboot Nightwing (not dick) I'd just lay down the core ground work.

1) location- I'd prefer nightwing globetrotting but I get DC what's bludhaven so I'd go with that. Bludhaven should be the metropolis of entertainment, full of casinos, resorts, nightclubs ect. It has so much potential. It could have the world's biggest Tokyo town district full of Japanese culture like anime, video games and restaurants. It could have it's own MSG of all the big live events. A famous beach like miami. Just so much potential to have something unique to nightwing.

2)Career- The new and improved Halys circus. Dick own the circus and rebuilds it for his family legacy and for the poor and youth of bludhaven to have jobs. This fit the new bludhaven with the vegas look.

3)DCU- If dick can't go out into the DCU than bring it to him! Tourists, drug, weapons and meta human trafficking ect. Have other heroes and characters live there also like with Gotham (sideways, black canary) and metropolis (black lightning, traci 13) characters that fits the new bludhaven like Zatanna, Vixen, deadman, the royal flush gang and with his speed wally stops by to hang with his best bro.

This would be a good foundation for nightwing.