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    DCEU SM/WW toys photography:

    "Romantic love"

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    "My Justice League"


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    "Darkseid! You monster!"


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    "Told by his mother about social distance, but Wonder Woman invites courtship."

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellacre View Post
    All I can say is... with this global crisis people watching every dollar, and I will only buy a book that has a clear premise and direction. I want a story that unfolds organically and I want to see characters grow. I thought I was getting that with new 52 but apparently not. I cannot abide with one minute what you read was a lie, then what you read only some happened but the stuff you cared about never did . I am very clear on what and where I am going to spend my money. Give me a new 52 earth with SMWW couple. Or a Black Label book. And give us more DK SMWW fam and kids.
    This global crisis will wipe out many businesses! What was already fragile will crumble for good and, let's face it, DC was getting beat up by Marvel more than Chuck Norris's enemies in his movies. If there was already no certainty about 5G and this new "everything happened and is valid" strategy now then nothing can be taken for granted. When we return to normalcy DC will need to have solid stories to advance the market again. I don't know what they will do at this moment that the presses are stopped, I don't know what they will do when they return but they need to see it as a safety car is seen in F1, a chance for everyone to get up very close, a chance to reconnect with readers who are wasting and not a moment to risk in an unknown field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    "Darkseid! You monster!"


    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-DgvMBgQrF/

    "Told by his mother about social distance, but Wonder Woman invites courtship."

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-D-RMqg_R8/

    "#superman #kalel #clarkkent #wonderwoman #dianaprince"


    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-EeZHZgqhI/
    So much Henry and Gal statues and action figures placed together by buyers and yet in all of 2 movies they never looked at or spoke to each other. DC/WB are truly oblivious to what is before their eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deiasilva10 View Post
    This global crisis will wipe out many businesses! What was already fragile will crumble for good and, let's face it, DC was getting beat up by Marvel more than Chuck Norris's enemies in his movies. If there was already no certainty about 5G and this new "everything happened and is valid" strategy now then nothing can be taken for granted. When we return to normalcy DC will need to have solid stories to advance the market again. I don't know what they will do at this moment that the presses are stopped, I don't know what they will do when they return but they need to see it as a safety car is seen in F1, a chance for everyone to get up very close, a chance to reconnect with readers who are wasting and not a moment to risk in an unknown field.
    I'm fine with a title/titles totally disconnected to canon. I hope DC can start seeing even SMWW fans are fans. I liked Jim Lee said now was not the time to be labeling fans as true or not true based on their preferences. This is a tendency some purists have. We are all fans and love our heroes. We might have different preferences but now is not the time for anyone to make others feel not welcomed into the genre. The comic industry needs all the support it can to survive.
    Last edited by hellacre; 03-25-2020 at 12:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiasilva10 View Post
    Or just to be remembered since he was fully aware of this fact in a not-so-distant past ...

    Or just to be remembered since he was fully aware of this fact in a not-so-distant past ...





    Oh, yeah. He should go back to write them like that.

    This will not work... the original plans have already been discarded ... no one else knows what will happen to DC ... at the moment they are as lost as we are.
    AFAIK, only plans for 5G and ageing characters are discarded. The timeline and embrace all DC history is still in play.

    Quote Originally Posted by hellacre View Post
    Well I am hoping. I need a new 52 earth bk. This current WW is just clearly mandated to try to synergize with the movie. The WW origins I will always prefer have been Perez or Azzarello's .
    We need some variety for SM/WW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Yeah, it's a mess. Like they can't win either way.
    Such a shame. Their individual story is rich with so much potential and together creates something even more grander when actually given the effort.

    I guess that not being the one that made the story decisions factored into him regretting it after shippers complained for years/decades. 😂
    The story is worthwhile and resonates because of the decisions made. Every story has its flaws, it brought some controversy, but the most important aspect is that it brought fans, open new ideas, took risks etc.

    Those factors DC now lacks, ironically 🙃

    Btw, people will still like the book no matter what Waid will say.
    Exactly. Because of natural gravitation of interest.

    As I said in the past, if WB will heard details about such a project, they'll do the same asap. 😅
    It shouldn’t take hearing about another project. Like said, DC has the real deal and interest is there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Some recent comics panels...

    Kal and Diana's romance is referenced in today's Wonder Woman #754 (2nd panel):



    From Superman: Heroes #1, Diana on Superman revealing his secret ID to the world:



    Lastly, a brief exchange in Superman #21 (Diana is back calling him Kal under Bendis lately):

    Quote Originally Posted by Deiasilva10 View Post
    Ok ok... we have briefly moments of DC coming out of their current ostrich position, with their heads stuck in a hole, organic or not, and remembering WW's relationship with SM ... great but still unsatisfactory. May they deposit this crumb in that same hole and give us Earth 52 that is rightfully ours! Sooner or later Bendis has to realize that moving Diana away from Kal is more hard work than accepting their deep and natural friendship. Diana and not Bruce is Kal's best friend!
    Quote Originally Posted by hellacre View Post
    Hello my friends, sorry I have no been around but real life has been busy. I hope everyone is well and being safe at this critical time for all of us around the world.

    So can someone explain to me why Rebirth Wonder Woman is recalling new 52 SM and WW????? They are not the same versions. Why is she speaking as if this memory is hers???? Is this another messy mish mash they tried to do until they said never happened as they tried in the early days of Rebirth? Because I recalled this same Wonder Woman insult the dead Superman, then DC say it never happened ...she was insane or some such. And as for Bendis, he hasn't allowed the two characters to remotely look at each other directly in the eye nor speak meaningfully to each other. Now that she is speaking his name, can he do that? Can they actually exchange some heart felt conversation??? Like what we used to get from post crisis to the end of the new 52? Diana having conversation with Batman, or rather listening to Batman drone on about himself is not it. Would appreciate someone try to recollect sm and ww used to be very close.

    All I want is the new 52 Earth to be separate from these versions and let us have another book to explore Azz's and Morrison's WW and SM with their JL and I want a writer that can appreciate the differences in these versions that do make them interesting and more potential for fresh story telling. But the state of comics with this current crisis...I guess it won't be for a while with most things anyway. Can Soule or Pak come back? Or can even Buccellato or Azz take the new 52 Earth?
    Pretty much co-signed with Deia and Hellacre.

    Will add that I don’t like the idea Diana can’t have her relationship because of duty. That is yet another contradiction to what was established with SMWW. The main reason of why they were together was because of that understanding of the burdens being heroes. They made it work for them.

    Kal and Diana’s relationship as best friends with complicated deeper feelings has become a key part of their character. No more contrived conflicts as to why SMWW supposedly can’t be together or are broken up. What this has shown is that there isn’t a justifiable reason.

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    New Couple/Family portraits/caricatures:

    "My beautiful girlfriend had this picture done up of the both of us. I love you my amazing Wonder Woman. Once I print it out, I know exactly where it is going."

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    "The reaction of a customer when she saw the portrait was: "Omg I LOVE IT!!! Thank you so much it is AWESOME :-) !! Can't wait to give it to my husband :-)" Then she added:"He LOVED it! Thank you!!" And the review I got later was:"Such a fun gift and it came out terrific!! I love it and so did my husband" 🙂 I was so happy! I like that my portraits are loved by husbands too! 😉"

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    "Thank you very much 💖 and many wishes to all the dads in the world, the superheroes of every child!"


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    "Have no fear!... the Webbs are here!"


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    "Spring break season is here so hopefully I’ll remember to take more pics of my work 😭😄"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiasilva10 View Post
    Because nobody read or cared about that crap! Anyone who wants to write a good WW story needs to ignore Rebirth completely!



    It has already been stipulated that New 52 Earth is out there so there is no longer any reason to deny us the return of this universe! Unless, of course, the fear that it will be more successful than today's Earth ...
    Wonder Woman suffers from destruction without actually re-establishing much that can really stand out and have long lasting interest. In addition to that, the spitefulness behind the destruction just leaves a very bad taste.

    There’s no need to limit and have this bias mindset anymore. With what’s going on, wouldn’t DC want to open everything to get as much successful feedback as possible?

    We already know new52, despite flaws, sold better, so just be respectful to that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post

    This isn't anymore Rebirth WW or New52. Doomsday Clook #12 rebooted the DCU. During the year, it'll be revealed one piece at the time the new continuity. The overall idea is too embrace all 80 years of characters history ("Everything happened"). That will be no more Post-Crisis, New52 or Rebirth.

    We can have this too along with acknowledging their romance in the main canon.
    Honor this, and it’s good....



    Quote Originally Posted by hellacre View Post
    All I can say is... with this global crisis people watching every dollar, and I will only buy a book that has a clear premise and direction. I want a story that unfolds organically and I want to see characters grow. I thought I was getting that with new 52 but apparently not. I cannot abide with one minute what you read was a lie, then what you read only some happened but the stuff you cared about never did . I am very clear on what and where I am going to spend my money. Give me a new 52 earth with SMWW couple. Or a Black Label book. And give us more DK SMWW fam and kids.
    Co-signed again. Black Label for more creative freedom and definitely want more DK verse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Some recent comics panels...

    Kal and Diana's romance is referenced in today's Wonder Woman #754 (2nd panel):

    So they did have a romance in this reality, which according to the panel Diana had to give up for duty?? 👀👀
    I'm so confused. Also, going by the "everything happened" premise, it means Clark and Diana have been both bestfriends and lovers in this reality. Which then begs the question of what exactly happened?

    It makes me think of Dwayne McDuffie's JL run in which reality was changed and Wonder Woman and Superman were married. After Superman's death, Diana quit the League. However, when she learned there was a chance of him being alive again even if it meant them not being together, she took that risk so that he may live.

    Kind of makes me think of such a possibility for this current reality, maybe giving up her relationship with Superman was Diana's sacrifice so that he could live? I mean, Superman, at least the one shown in the panel above, supposedly died at the end of New 52. In addition, we know that reality was changed which is how this Rebirth came about. On top of that, this present Diana appears to have memories of differing realities, including her and Superman being together. So who is to say that the parallel I'm drawing from this confusing current run and McDuffie's JL run isn't far-fetched? 🤷🏾*♀️

    Trying to make something make sense here.

    From Superman: Heroes #1, Diana on Superman revealing his secret ID to the world:

    It appears they've been through a whole lot of somethings together...🤔

    Lastly, a brief exchange in Superman #21 (Diana is back calling him Kal under Bendis lately):

    While it's good to see that she is back to calling him Kal, it just doesn't have the same feel to it that it did during the post crisis era. Then, there was weight to her calling him Kal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    It shouldn’t take hearing about another project. Like said, DC has the real deal and interest is there.
    But WB/DC is reactionary... a lot.

    Will add that I don’t like the idea Diana can’t have her relationship because of duty. That is yet another contradiction to what was established with SMWW. The main reason of why they were together was because of that understanding of the burdens being heroes. They made it work for them.

    Kal and Diana’s relationship as best friends with complicated deeper feelings has become a key part of their character. No more contrived conflicts as to why SMWW supposedly can’t be together or are broken up. What this has shown is that there isn’t a justifiable reason.
    The duty thing was an issue in her relationship with Steve Trevor recently, doesn't make much sense with Superman. I guess Orlando was just speaking broadly about Diana having relationship problems in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyP View Post
    So they did have a romance in this reality, which according to the panel Diana had to give up for duty?? 👀👀
    I'm so confused. Also, going by the "everything happened" premise, it means Clark and Diana have been both bestfriends and lovers in this reality. Which then begs the question of what exactly happened?
    Before DiDio's firing and the pandemic delayed plans, in May was supposed to start a series of 5 special issues establishing the "new" DC's history as well as writers revealing bit and pieces on the new expanded history across the line through the year.

    It makes me think of Dwayne McDuffie's JL run in which reality was changed and Wonder Woman and Superman were married. After Superman's death, Diana quit the League. However, when she learned there was a chance of him being alive again even if it meant them not being together, she took that risk so that he may live.

    Kind of makes me think of such a possibility for this current reality, maybe giving up her relationship with Superman was Diana's sacrifice so that he could live? I mean, Superman, at least the one shown in the panel above, supposedly died at the end of New 52. In addition, we know that reality was changed which is how this Rebirth came about. On top of that, this present Diana appears to have memories of differing realities, including her and Superman being together. So who is to say that the parallel I'm drawing from this confusing current run and McDuffie's JL run isn't far-fetched? 🤷🏾*♀️

    Trying to make something make sense here.
    They are treating all the iterations of the characters as one. Current Diana is supposed to start as a superhero in the 30s inspiring the JSA. I saw in her timeline stuff like the mod era and her being the "God of War" restored as part of her history.

    The overall plan is undoing all the Crisis/Reboots and creating an unified DC's continuity/timeline. All versions (pre/post-Crisis/New52/Rebirth) of Diana or Kal aren't supposed to be separate entities with different histories.

    While it's good to see that she is back to calling him Kal, it just doesn't have the same feel to it that it did during the post crisis era. Then, there was weight to her calling him Kal.
    Because you saw building a connection over time back then, now we are still wondering what their shared past is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    DCEU SM/WW toys photography:

    "Romantic love"

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B9oB9linS8c/
    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post

    "Told by his mother about social distance, but Wonder Woman invites courtship."

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-D-RMqg_R8/

    "#superman #kalel #clarkkent #wonderwoman #dianaprince"


    https://www.instagram.com/p/B-EeZHZgqhI/
    It’s great to see new DCEU SMWW toy photography. LOL so sappy.

    Yet again showing the potential wasted and missed opportunity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deiasilva10 View Post
    This global crisis will wipe out many businesses! What was already fragile will crumble for good and, let's face it, DC was getting beat up by Marvel more than Chuck Norris's enemies in his movies. If there was already no certainty about 5G and this new "everything happened and is valid" strategy now then nothing can be taken for granted. When we return to normalcy DC will need to have solid stories to advance the market again. I don't know what they will do at this moment that the presses are stopped, I don't know what they will do when they return but they need to see it as a safety car is seen in F1, a chance for everyone to get up very close, a chance to reconnect with readers who are wasting and not a moment to risk in an unknown field.
    Quote Originally Posted by hellacre View Post
    So much Henry and Gal statues and action figures placed together by buyers and yet in all of 2 movies they never looked at or spoke to each other. DC/WB are truly oblivious to what is before their eyes.


    I'm fine with a title/titles totally disconnected to canon. I hope DC can start seeing even SMWW fans are fans. I liked Jim Lee said now was not the time to be labeling fans as true or not true based on their preferences. This is a tendency some purists have. We are all fans and love our heroes. We might have different preferences but now is not the time for anyone to make others feel not welcomed into the genre. The comic industry needs all the support it can to survive.
    We would gladly support if...you know... we are treated as fans too even if we do prefer something different other than traditional stuff. That’s what the multiverse is for. SMWW has just as much right given their long history and the relationship overall has proven its worth to be explored in depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Son of Krypton View Post
    Before DiDio's firing and the pandemic delayed plans, in May was supposed to start a series of 5 special issues establishing the "new" DC's history as well as writers revealing bit and pieces on the new expanded history across the line through the year.


    They are treating all the iterations of the characters as one. Current Diana is supposed to start as a superhero in the 30s inspiring the JSA. I saw in her timeline stuff like the mod era and her being the "God of War" restored as part of her history.

    The overall plan is undoing all the Crisis/Reboots and creating an unified DC's continuity/timeline. All versions (pre/post-Crisis/New52/Rebirth) of Diana or Kal aren't supposed to be separate entities with different histories.
    I still don't get how they came about believing this is supposed to work? It sounds so convoluted. Nothing remotely cohesive or coherent about this as there are many different aspects of the different iterations that contradict each other and won't makes sense if applied as all happening in the same "timeline" so to speak, or the same person. 🤦🏾*♀️

    I would love to know how the people at DC cook up their ideas. What do they use to gauge whether or not implementing a particular plan would be well received or even remotely successful? There just seems to be a huge disconnect between the audience and creative team/writers based on the materials pushed out for them to consume.


    Because you saw building a connection over time back then, now we are still wondering what their shared past is.
    Agreed. That's exactly it. There is no true connection at present. We have not seen one authentically built. Instead, writers these days would rather assert that something is as they say it is rather than organically build and show it. There's not much depth to anything current.


    Now, on a different note. Speaking of the pandemic, I hope everyone is staying safe. Practicing proper sanitary measures. We are in unprecedented times, as we are dealing with this virus on a global level. Everyday the number of cases keep rising, and the way of life has been fundamentally changed. It just goes to show how interconnected we really all are.
    Be safe guys.

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