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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    You know, I should take the time to thank you for sticking up for me like that. That was a kind thing to do, and I appreciate it. People seem to blow up at me out of nowhere sometimes. Or at least that's the way it seems to me.
    Ha - that's ironic because you blew up at me some time ago for what I took to be a snap-judgement of my intent, but it's all good - I thought you did nothing wrong and it seemed docmidnite was perhaps a little defensive. We all need to be able to endure dissent and take all this with a grain of salt - life is too short to do otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    Does anyone else kinda prefer architect-non-military John?
    After reading the run from the 1980's, I do prefer non-military John.

    I enjoy military John in DCAU continuity only. The animation team did a much better job with that incarnation than the comic's side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    Actually, about what I said...
    I guess you could make a strong point that the character first started to go off the rails when Christopher Priest senselessly had Katma brutally murdered, which happened right before Cosmic Odyssey.

    He could have potentially bounced back from that, but instead things got even worse from there.
    The sky truly was the limit until those events happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tzigone View Post
    In my headcanon reboot, I'll avoid that. For John's sake, for Carol's sake, and, of course, for Katma's sake. So many interesting things could have been done.
    I still crack up at how Carol's role was never mentioned, yet the event stuck.

    DC had at least two chances to do away with that tragedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    However, I can completely understand if even his personality on the show does not jive with some viewers. He was kind of a buzzkill some of the time, but I thought there was a lot of humor and personality in the way it was done. I think he was specifically constructed to be somewhat of the opposite of the show's goofball version of Wally West.
    Yeah, I found John to be quite hilarious as the straight man of the team.

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    I wish DC would do some sort of retelling of how John & Hal first met. I find their initial exchanges hilarious.




    Even in his first appearance, John had a poker face, and was a few steps ahead of everyone else. Very Black Panther-ish, imo.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Shaw View Post
    I wish DC would do some sort of retelling of how John & Hal first met. I find their initial exchanges hilarious.

    Even in his first appearance, John had a poker face, and was a few steps ahead of everyone else. Very Black Panther-ish, imo.
    It's cool John is the one who figured out what was going on, but I find the story pretty cringey at times. For example, it's odd to me he's calling someone racist while at the same time he is addressing the person he's talking to as "whitey".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    It's cool John is the one who figured out what was going on, but I find the story pretty cringey at times. For example, it's odd to me he's calling someone racist while at the same time he is addressing the person he's talking to as "whitey".
    Some of that over the top dialogue love from Denny O'Neil. It is kinda hilarious how often Hal was insulted when Denny took over the book. Writers were still doing "edgy", racially charged dialogue into the 1980's. I'm kinda scared to watch 48 Hours starring Eddie Murphy & Nick Nolte.

    I do think John was testing Hal with the insult.

    But yeah, an updated origin tale is needed to explain how John got his ring, and his initial training under Hal.

    During the Geoff run, Hal mentioned that he wanted to punch John shortly after meeting him, before finding out they had a lot in common. So, a revised first meeting should be a bit volatile (and hopefully fun). The fact that John could get under Hal's skin is interesting.

    Back to John, it is interesting to see how much of a wild card he was before he mellowed out during the 1980's. I think a lot of John's early unpredictability went over to Guy. Although in Guy's case, anger was not smoke screen to hide true intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Shaw View Post
    The sky truly was the limit until those events happened.



    I still crack up at how Carol's role was never mentioned, yet the event stuck.

    DC had at least two chances to do away with that tragedy.
    Carol’s role was dealt with here, but like the Road Back and GL: Mosaic it’s been ignored by subsequent writers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmidnite View Post
    Carol’s role was dealt with here, but like the Road Back and GL: Mosaic it’s been ignored by subsequent writers.

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    My comments were based on the Geoff Johns era. He is the subsequent writer, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Shaw View Post
    My comments were based on the Geoff Johns era. He is the subsequent writer, lol.
    But it hasn’t been just Geoff Johns, though. Jurgens, Marz, Winick, Dematteis, Van Jensen, Venditti, etc. Have all ignored it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmidnite View Post
    Carol’s role was dealt with here, but like the Road Back and GL: Mosaic it’s been ignored by subsequent writers.

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    Who is the writer???

    Interesting all those stories have NOT sniff a trade.

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    I prefer the Van Jesnsen origin, despite the art, because it doesn't involve any other GLs and ties together the various versions of John pretty nicely. It would be cool to see that story told over several issues rather than a few pages in an anthology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyvolt2000 View Post
    Who is the writer???

    Interesting all those stories have NOT sniff a trade.
    Gerard Jones who was not that long ago sentenced to jail for 7 years for having child pornography on his computer.

    There is a trade of The Road Back but no still no trade of GL: Mosaic.

    I can understand why DC would want to distance themselves from Jones as much as possible NOW, but that doesn’t excuse the prior 30 years of writers ignoring the books that developed John the most.

    For example, GL: Mosaic should have been put in trade 25yrs ago and not ignored by every subsequent writer since.
    I still think DC could release GL: Mosaic in trade. All they would have to do you is donate some of the profits to anti child abuse organizations of their choosing, but there needs to be an editorial mandate not to ignore it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretWarrior View Post
    I prefer the Van Jesnsen origin, despite the art, because it doesn't involve any other GLs and ties together the various versions of John pretty nicely. It would be cool to see that story told over several issues rather than a few pages in an anthology.
    I agree! That's pretty much what I liked about Van Jensen's version of John Stewart's origin. His origin wasn't tied to any Green Lanterns. I wish that the story could've had more issues under his writing. He's one of the very few writers that I can trust writing a John Stewart solo. As I said earlier, he writes John so well and thinks like a typical John Stewart fan, because he's as much as a fan as us here. And when I say fan, I mean a fan of the character, who he prefers John over any other Green Lantern characters. I so much wish that DC hired him back to write a John Stewart solo.

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