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Fine with me. Just do something with the character other than outright erase her and replace her.
The same TV series where she's been erased and replaced after a single season? Or the animated films where she had an intro, then died the next film she had a cameo in? Lol and lol.
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We're not talking about the same things.
The statement was: "Batwoman's most popular era was before she really worked strongly with Batman and the family."
That's just not the case. Since Batwoman started working with the rest of the Batfamily (that is, from Rebirth onward), she's had more comic and media appearances than prior to that, and since 2018 has been at a higher level of pop culture awareness than any time since her very first announcement (and perhaps not even then).
You're talking about the quality of those appearances (which I disagree with), but that's something different.
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Character has only been around for 14 years or so, which in comic terms isn't long at all.
Sure, she temporarily had a higher presence when they involved her more in the Bat-Family in the comics, and temporarily gave her a TV series - but that's taken a major dip lately, since neither media format maintained the enthusiasm nor kept-up the commitment.
I'd say she was niche before the Rebirth books though. She had a temporary boost, which wasn't maintained, and now we have a mess.
Many old fans want her back to being niche and separated from the Bat-Family, newer fans want her involved in Bat-Family events - what we seem to get are half-measures. So she didn't get included in any of the family get together for Joker War, for example, but had a team-up with Batman to remind us she's still around. She gets cameos in short team-ups with other Bat-Family in their books, but seemingly gets left-out of events such as Future State.
I don't agree with that, especially not for the show since it had a pretty standard attrition rate, and even if not was still the second-highest-rated show on the CW last season. But I'm only talking raw numbers: compare the number of things Kate was in before mid-2016 and the number of different types of media, and compare those same numbers to afterward. Afterward is higher, thus more popular. That's all I'm saying.
I don't know what you're characterizing as a mess. Her appearances lately are scattershot, but they haven't been bad.I'd say she was niche before the Rebirth books though. She had a temporary boost, which wasn't maintained, and now we have a mess.
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Not talking about the popularity of the show, talking about the character being tossed-out. Regardless of ratings, it's not her show anymore, even if her support character are still there. Build for the character's presence in the television space is dropped, she's not on television anymore.
As in where she stands within the Bat-Family is a mess.
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"Everything doesn't have to be about fear. There's room in our line of work for hope, too"- Stephanie Brown, Batgirl Vol 3 #5
"Quit? Like hell I will"- Bette Kane, Beast Boy #3
She was a costumed crime-fighter like Batman, yet in many ways, not an exact counterpart. I like her too. She should not hide and please appear more in the comics.
So, is Kate on the fast train to Limbo or what? Because it seems like just about every other Bat-person, plus some new characters from Joker War, are accounted for in Future Sate except her.
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