Kate Kane: Batwoman Appreciation 2020

[Caivu]

Late, but it's still Halloween somewhere:

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(Batwoman #11)

And:

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[Tsukiakari1203]

end of halloween

Kate dressed as Batman, Bette went as Wonder Woman

[Shadowcat]

Should Kate move out of Gotham, and get her own fictional city?

[Tzigone]

Should Kate move out of Gotham, and get her own fictional city?

I'm typically in favor of heroes doing so when in the "territory" of other heroes. Just because the fans will always first associate the city with the "primary" hero. And Batman has the long-standing relationship with the commissioner and so forth. And what happens to Gotham (in comics, not other media) is likely to be driven by his storylines. For some reason, TPTB like it getting taken over/out from under ordinary government control every so often. I also think working with Batman (more common when in his city) these days leads to taking orders from Batman, and that's bad for any hero that TPTB want perceived as independent or a peer of Batman's. And Kate doesn't usually have a childhood connection there.

On the other hand, she has been in Gotham since creation, she's had a couple girlfriends associated with Gotham PD, and I can understand if fans don't want to abandon all that. Especially for those who want her more tightly bound to Batman or the Batfam in general. I mean, I think it's been a long-term detriment to some other characters, but it's hard to know if they would have just faded into nothingness otherwise anyway, because they weren't big when moved (back) and Batman sells. Being in his book or doing crossovers does gain a character visibility.

[Caivu]

Should Kate move out of Gotham, and get her own fictional city?

No. There's zero reason for her to move: Her home and HQ are in Gotham, her girlfriend lives there, the rest of her family lives there.... why would she leave permanently? That sounds like an artificial story beat, not something she would actually do.

I'm also uneasy with her having her own city, since that's veering more into typical comic book territory than I like for her. She's tended to skew away from that kinda stuff more than a lot of characters.

[Shadowcat]

It wouldn’t have to be far. Gotham is supposed to be 20 miles from Jersey Shore, so they could create a city based on an analogue of that.

[Caivu]

It wouldn’t have to be far. Gotham is supposed to be 20 miles from Jersey Shore, so they could create a city based on an analogue of that.

That would be even more pointless; why move at all if it's not going to be a substantial distance? And this still doesn't answer the "why" of doing any sort of move in the first place.

What's the rationale here?

[Shadowcat]

To give her a chance to actually shine. It’s hard being a bat-related character in Gotham, without being overshadowed by Batman. Especially when she’s not used all that often in the main books, at least not since Tynion’s Tec run. If she stays in Gotham, maybe make her the field leader of the Birds of Prey. I just want more exposure on Kate.

[Tzigone]

To give her a chance to actually shine. It’s hard being a bat-related character in Gotham, without being overshadowed by Batman. Especially when she’s not used all that often in the main books, at least not since Tynion’s Tec run. If she stays in Gotham, maybe make her the field leader of the Birds of Prey. I just want more exposure on Kate.

I'm against that. I don't want the BoP a Bat-team or even a Bat-heavy team, and it's Barbara's already. I also don't think BoP needs a field leader.

[Caivu]

To give her a chance to actually shine. It’s hard being a bat-related character in Gotham, without being overshadowed by Batman. Especially when she’s not used all that often in the main books, at least not since Tynion’s Tec run. If she stays in Gotham, maybe make her the field leader of the Birds of Prey. I just want more exposure on Kate.

I don't want anything done, to any character, solely for the purpose of "making them shine." I don't care if Kate is overshadowed by Batman; she's always going to be. If she gets more exposure, I want it to be for actual reasons that make sense to her as a character and/or are the result of sensible story decisions, not because anyone decided to spotlight her just for kicks.

I'm against that. I don't want the BoP a Bat-team or even a Bat-heavy team, and it's Barbara's already. I also don't think BoP needs a field leader.

This. Putting Kate on the BoP feels too much like doing so just because she's a woman.

[Oberon]

Let's face it; Batwoman's most popular era was before she really worked strongly with Batman and the family.

[Caivu]

Let's face it; Batwoman's most popular era was before she really worked strongly with Batman and the family.

Bit odd to say that when she got a TV show and multiple movie appearances around the time that exact thing was happening. Not to mention that she was in more issues of 'Tec alone than her entire New 52 series during that period.

[Pohzee]

Bit odd to say that when she got a TV show and multiple movie appearances around the time that exact thing was happening. Not to mention that she was in more issues of 'Tec alone than her entire New 52 series during that period.

With how long it takes to get things green-lit in Hollywood, it’s almost certain that the show was not approved because of Kate’s time during Rebirth. It was most definitely following the successes of her comics before then. And of course the setting of the show prevents her from working closely with Batman.

[Caivu]

With how long it takes to get things green-lit in Hollywood, it’s almost certain that the show was not approved because of Kate’s time during Rebirth. It was most definitely following the successes of her comics before then.

There's no evidence that a show was being discussed whatsoever until July 2018, well after Rebirth began.

[Pohzee]

There's no evidence that a show was being discussed whatsoever until July 2018, well after Rebirth began.

Similarly, I doubt that Arrow was greenlit because of his New 52 series or Flash the Vendetti run. It’s based on the the historical success of the characters. They absolutely would not have based it on comic books that had come out in the past year.