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    Kate needs to console Julia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    Kate needs to console Julia.
    OOF! Even I forget about her ><

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    Jordan Clarke, the writer of the Crimes of Passion story, recently did an interview where he said his story could take place either relatively recently or right after the New 52 series. That just further corroborates that Kate and Renee aren't getting broken up, but that makes it a little weird on the surface to include it in such a collection.
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    Something I've been thinking about for a long time is that I'm not convinced that Kate actually has PTSD as commonly claimed. Not because her having it would be a bad thing or weaken her or whatever, but because claims should have evidence. So far, I don't really see much supporting the idea except for the assumption that traumatic experiences=PTSD, which is completely not true.

    She's never been diagnosed with it on-panel, despite seeing a psychiatrist; Maggie mentioned it once, but that's it, and she's obviously not a professional (neither am I). And Kate flat-out doesn't fit one of the required criteria according to the DSV-5: avoidance symptoms. There are numerous instances where she has actively taken part in elements of her kidnapping. Riding in the back of cars doesn't bother her, shooting guns doesn't, eating waffles doesn't, being blindfolded doesn't, seeing gore and blood doesn't. Thinking about it doesn't. She's iffy on some of the other criteria, too.

    This is coming from the viewpoint of her complete history since Elegy, but it also works out for individual eras. I'm not a mental health professional, so I could totally be wrong about this, but right now I don't see evidence for making this claim, and in fact see many things to discount it.
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    By Steven J. Vasquez:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    Something I've been thinking about for a long time is that I'm not convinced that Kate actually has PTSD as commonly claimed. Not because her having it would be a bad thing or weaken her or whatever, but because claims should have evidence. So far, I don't really see much supporting the idea except for the assumption that traumatic experiences=PTSD, which is completely not true.
    It's dependant on what whoever the writer in charge is wants to do. If she gets another series (solo or team) later on and that writer wants to explore her PTSD then she clearly has it. If not then it remains speculated, but not proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat-Meal View Post
    It's dependant on what whoever the writer in charge is wants to do. If she gets another series (solo or team) later on and that writer wants to explore her PTSD then she clearly has it. If not then it remains speculated, but not proven.
    I don't know how that would sqare with what's already been shown, though. This same thing might apply to the other Bats, too; it's easy to say that of course they all have PTSD, but if that's contradicted by what's depicted... well, then they don't, right? However much it might make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    I don't know how that would sqare with what's already been shown, though. This same thing might apply to the other Bats, too; it's easy to say that of course they all have PTSD, but if that's contradicted by what's depicted... well, then they don't, right? However much it might make sense?
    They can always retcon it now that we're entering a new timeline, but will they do it though

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    Do you think TV Kate has PTSD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat-Meal View Post
    Do you think TV Kate has PTSD?
    I still don't see how she fits the avoidance criteria. If that's something that's required and she doesn't exhibit it, then she doesn't have PTSD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    I still don't see how she fits the avoidance criteria. If that's something that's required and she doesn't exhibit it, then she doesn't have PTSD.
    Well there you go - consistent with the comics again.

    I don't know anything about psychology, so I'll just take your word for it until I hear otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    Kate needs to console Julia.
    Has Julia appeared on panel at all since her father died?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat-Meal View Post
    Has Julia appeared on panel at all since her father died?
    I don't think she's been anywhere since the Rebirth series ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    I don't think she's been anywhere since the Rebirth series ended.
    Weird. I know she's not the most popular character, but she's Alfred's daughter, even if he didn't raise her. It's like having Kate become comatose with Jacob not noticing or reacting.

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    Concept art from DC Legends by Diego Ziga:

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