I have read some letters from after the new team got introduced and yes you wonder how the sales could have been so bad to change the team so radically.
And I think whoever thinks social media are "corrupting" us needs to read some of the letters.
Letters needed some work to publish. Social media just made it easier to put stuff like that in the open.
-It is more grey I suppose than usally.
I have not read anything that showed Apocalypse or Sinister are now seen as the "Paragons of Mutant goodness". Some of them are needed but they are not preparing for them getting up to their usual stuff would be quite stupid. Shaw is already doing that for one example
Part of herself is Chthonic, I am of the opinion that power itself is never evil or good, they just are, and they serve a purpose in the grander scheme.
Darkhold, aside from its sentient part that is loyal to Chthon(Darkhold dwarlf), is just knowledge.
Also the narrative here should be about "that one responsibility only she can handle", and while Wanda is not exactly the "smart type" who just pull a plan out of her ass, it would be refreshing for her to beat a villain at his own game with the understanding of knowledge and info, instead of just the sheer energy/power/goodness of heart.
Yeah, I hear Avengers Disassembled revitalized Carol and Clint in particular. Without it, they might not have such prominent roles in the movies. Speaking of which, Hawkeye's Disney+ show is getting a really cool name WITHOUT the main hero's name in it: Anchor Point. It will be introducing Kate Bishop:
https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/...es-title-date/
I actually think it's possible Clint makes a cameo in WandaVision. He is the last active Avenger who still has a friendly relationship with Wanda in the movies.
Yeah, I've always liked Hank because I've always liked "inventor" characters in the Marvel Universe. I consider Richards, Banner, Stark and Pym to be the Teslas and Edisons of Marvel, and even though I'm a huge fan of Wanda (who is more of a magician-type figure), I've always retained a fondness of for the scientific minds of Marvel Comics. I think Marvel, if they're really smart, could FINALLY deal with Hank hitting Jan in a sensitive and satisfactory way. He could get some therapy and/or take some medication. The Avengers should support and help him through his mental health struggles (this goes for Wanda too), and he can finally get the forgiveness he so richly desires. I think that would be nice. A true redemption arc and him at last coming to terms with his troubled past with Jan and his friends at his side. Loki got one in the movies, why can't Pym in the comics (and Loki remains popular to this day even though he killed one of the most popular characters in the MCU at the time of the murder, Phil Coulson). I think that was apparently on Whedon's orders as well! LOL!
I like Sam Raimi too because his movies are not too serious. They can get pretty campy though, but the Spider-Man stuff he did was almost twenty years ago. He might take a different approach now. I just hope the writers don't turn Wanda into a sort of damsel in distress that Mary Jane was. I just don't want to see and hear Olsen screaming so much, you know?
I've seen that many haters of Wanda, mutant and non-mutant fans alike, want to put her on trial for her alleged "crimes". I actually think Marvel should definitely PROCEED with this idea. It can be like a trial of the century story (O.J. style). A sort of Marvel meets Law & Order (or my personal preference My Cousin Vinny). Wanda can have her legal defense paid for by Stark and she would be represented by She-Hulk (okay, maybe not Jennifer because she was deeply involved in Disassembled) and Daredevil. I don't know of any mutant lawyers, but they could represent the mutant side of things. Dr. Doom and Chthon can be called as "witnesses" who are allowed "diplomatic" and/or "demonic" immunity respectively. Then writers and artists can portray EXACTLY what happened during Avengers Disassembled, House of M, and the Decimation. And because everybody is under oath, they would each have to swear to tell the truth, so help me God and/or Gods. The whole thing can be entirely fun and funny as WandaVision is. Then Wanda can finally be either convicted or exonerated.
I heard about Captain America and Wanda, and that sounded interesting. But I read on Wikipedia that she went batshit crazy after he rejected her advances. The creators at Marvel must have been watching a LOT of Fatal Attraction, the Hand that Rocks the Cradle and Single White Female during that time, because they totally made her into a unhinged psycho at that point. I think why many writers at Marvel make Wanda "unstable" is because her powers are somewhat telekinetic (mental). So it's very easy for them to say that her mind is vulnerable to dangerous and toxic influences because she is too emotional and irrational as a female. Same thing with Jean. Dudes like Dr. Strange, Doctor Doom and Professor X however, are largely immune from these influences because they are seen to have stronger mental capacities. That's just my opinion.
I think it would be poetic in Wanda's upcoming book that some demonic forces are hell-bent on "possessing her". Then she can respond by echoing Clint's words in Age of Ultron:
"I've done the whole mind control thing. Not a fan." Fightback thus begins.
You can't blame writers for using the "mind control" and "brainwashing" tropes in the comics. They need a way to show good guys doing bad things without bearing any responsibility for their actions. Cheap and lazy writing, I know. But so is the overuse of concepts like "time travel" and "multiverses" as well. So I get why they do it. In the MCU, Hawkeye, the Hulk, Erik Selvig, Winter Soldier and even Loki were often under the influence of other forces beyond their control. So if the films do it, I do understand why the comic books do it too.
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Streets saying Mephisto might be the villain in WandaVision
0 hopes for chthon
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I think they felt the X-Men sales were really poor so for six months the book wasn't sold at all. Then they realized it wasn't selling as badly as they thought it did so they started reprinting old issues and letting the X-Men guest-star in other books. Like that one infamous issue where Magneto forces Wanda to dance for him.
If you've read the new Excalibur series, you'll see that Apocalypse is basically the main character despite it being sold as a Betsy Braddock as Captain Britain book.
Anchor Point is a cool name although it doesn't have that brand value that something like Loki, Falcon and Winter Soldier, or Wanda/Vision have.
Honestly, I hope Clint doesn't appear in Wanda/Vision. If it was the comic book version, then sure, but the MCU Clint isn't interesting enough for me. I suppose he did name his child after Pietro though.
I think Hank is one of those characters that will always forever be known as the creator of Ultron and for hitting Janet. The reason that a character like Loki can be redeemed for killing someone popular is because death is hardly permanent in Marvel, and Coulson himself ended up coming back so that further reduces the consequences of Loki's actions. Domestic abuse is a little less common in comics and harder to digest. I like the inventor characters you listed and I would add Hank McCoy to that list as well, especially since he took Xavier's place in the Illuminati.
I forgot about damsel in distress MJ. I don't think Wanda will be like that though. I wonder if they'll try and portray a romance between her and Stephen Strange though especially if Vision is permanently dead after Wanda/Vision and Wanda realizes she must move on. For that matter, I wonder if Stephen will pop up in Wanda/Vision.
The Trial of Wanda storyline could be interesting and there's precedent for it between the trial of Yellowjacket/Hank Pym and Jean Grey periodically gets one of these from the Shi'ar. However, I don't think we need to bring all that messy stuff from Wanda's life up again especially because X-Fans will never be content until she's fully "convicted" and punished. If she's exonerated and proved guiltless, they'll just hate her more and claim all of Marvel is against them and start to attack Daredevil, She-Hulk, and whoever else they blame.
I haven't read anything about Steve rejecting Wanda. I think their relationship never progressed because they ended up together right before Avengers Disassembled so she was written off then. And a What If? showed that Steve was responsible for M-Day and it was his idea to get Wanda to use her powers to make the world a better place for superheroes alike. To be fair, Xavier has had his own mental breakdowns such as in the Phoenix Saga (when he goes crazy for a fill-in issue) and then that was really brought to the surface for Onslaught. I guess Doom is already evil so he doesn't need to be anymore crazy but I've never seen Stephen Strange get a story like that. Green Lantern in DC (the Hal Jordan one) had a storyline where he was corrupted and became evil though.
Mind control is fine but when it becomes a defining characteristic of a character (like Polaris in Chris Claremont's X-Men run), then it's become a problem. I don't mind Wanda becoming demonically possessed in Wanda/Vision but they shouldn't overdo it for future stories like they did in the comics (between John Byrne's first run on Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Avengers Disassembled/House of M, Secret Empire, etc.)
Yeah, I read something about Cap and Wanda and the United Nations on the Internet. It could have been totally wrong though. So don't trust what I have to say. I just think a "trial of the century" could help rehabilitate Wanda's image and reputation. If done correctly. It could be even really compelling. Doc Sampson could be called in to testify about Wanda's mental state. Dr. Strange could likewise give testimony about her magical state. On advice of his counsel, Quicksilver could refuse to testify because of fears of self-incrimination. The X-Men could demand that Wanda be extradited and tried in Genosha (perhaps they have the death penalty there and the Avengers would oppose it). Wanda could be subjected to some brutal cross-examinations, but then she can defend herself too on the stand as well. The mutants could buy full page adds in newspapers smearing Wanda's reputation and the Avengers could respond by defending her in the press too. I'm just saying writers and artists could use a trial (maybe trials if there are appeals made) to finally hash out what really happened during those troubled times. Perhaps there can be a "mistrial" because Apocalypse, Mr. Sinister and Mystique could shapeshift and "pose" as judges in order to get a conviction. Just do something really different, you know? Then again maybe it's just a dumb idea on my part that almost certainly won't go anywhere.
My opinion is that it's almost GUARANTEED Dr. Strange will appear in the last episode of WandaVision. I just can't imagine him not showing up then because the series is tied so closely with his movie. About the romance angle, weren't there rumors that the MCU was casting for an actress to play Clea? I think Marvel wants to explore the classic relationship between Clea and Strange and I would like to see it on screen. I actually believe now that the Multiverse of Madness will deal partly with Wanda looking for her kids if Mephisto's involved. And I'm curious to find out if Wanda's new Darkhold book will factor into her future in the MCU (now that Feige is in charge of the comic books at Marvel too). I just think it's really LATE to adapt the upcoming Darkhold story into WandaVision (because the latter hasn't even been published yet). But I'm starting to think it might have a BIG influence on Wanda later on and probably will be worth reading. Conversely, it might lead to the eventual departure of Wanda and usher in the age of Doctor Doom in the MCU. I think it's curious that the MCU might introduce Doctor Doom WITHOUT the Fantastic Four if this Darkhold stuff is pursued. I always thought Marvel Studios would go with the traditional origin story of Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom getting into it at college and then becoming rivals. But now I believe Disney probably wants to differentiate themselves from Fox. Previous films featuring the Fantastic Four always emphasized Doom's SCIENTIFIC credentials. However, it appears the MCU seems to want to emphasize his MAGICAL prowess FIRST. Fascinating. I personally think the MCU should do the classic Triumph and Torment story in Dr. Strange 3 because it would be an awesome way to conclude the Dr. Strange trilogy. Maybe Wanda can be there after she gets her kids back.
Yeah, some superhero dudes have lost their minds at various times, but Wanda must hold some sort of world record of being "brainwashed/possessed/mind-controlled." LOL! And thanks for reminding me of Hank McCoy. He's another brilliant scientist and mutant that I've always liked. All the mutants I like are blue. I've always been inspired by the scientific characters in the comic books because I LOVE the idea of idealistic dreamers creating practical and useful inventions to improve the world. In the MCU, I am particularly fond of Banner, Stark, Pym and Helen Cho. I love the friendship between Stark and Banner in particular:
Tony Stark to Bruce Banner: "We're mad scientists, we're monsters buddy, we gotta own it...Make a stand." And they both helped saved the universe at the end of Endgame. That was so great!
And looking at this Darkhold material going to be published later, I'm more convinced than ever Wanda will NOT return to being a mutant anytime soon. Or be retconned into being Magneto's daughter. I remember Feige and Whedon saying during the Age of Ultron that Wanda got her powers from magic as opposed to being a mutant. So I think they're gonna stick with that origin story.
Whatever happens in WandaVision, I have great confidence all the main characters in it will be treated well. One thing about Feige that I really like is he doesn't play favorites with characters in the MCU, while in the comics you can tell who is clearly favored and who is not. Paul Bettany (Vision) in an interview that the writers, directors and studio executives truly LOVE these characters and want to seem done justice on the big and now small screen. Many fans have waited for these moments for DECADES and these characters might not ever appear on film and/or on television ever again. So, I absolutely think that Vision and Quicksilver will get the respect that their fans believe that they deserve in WandaVision. I have NO doubt about that at all. Paul Bettany even said doing this show is a highlight of his career and he's proud of it. This sounds VERY different from what the cast of Game of Thrones said after season eight concluded. And I actually believe Vision will do something really BIG to help protect his family in that series. I don't know if he'll "save" them, but he'll do something I'm sure. And I'm hoping he gets to interact with Benedict Cumberbatch (Dr. Strange) too. I like both of those actors a lot. I still stand by my belief that Vision and Pietro will be done with the MCU after the show concludes. There have been virtually no leaks out there saying that either of them will be coming back to the main MCU universe. I actually think it's quite possible that all four "revived" characters from the Infinity Saga (Loki, Gamora, Vision and Quicksilver) will be restored to their ORIGINAL timelines if all of them were brought back to life using time travel. That would make perfect sense to me.
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With yall so passionate about wanda in here maybe someone can give ke some help. I was wondering where wandas return and comeback was between house of M and avengers vs xmen. Itwas so weird seeing wanda gone and basically in hiding during bendis run with clint looking for her and next thing i know she pops up in avengers vs xmen like she was never gone.
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