Wanda Maximoff: Scarlet Witch Appreciation 2020

[gurkle]

Since I'm usually so pessimistic about Wanda I should say that someone pointed out why the delay of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness could turn out to be a good thing. (Even though, of course, the reason why it was delayed is a very bad thing.) The script wasn't finished and the original director had been replaced shortly before the movie was originally to start shooting, so hopefully the delay will mean it has a better script and turns out to be a better movie than if they had to rush it into production.

I'm still sorry we won't see the one/two punch of a Disney+ series followed immediately by a movie in 2021, but realistically it's probably better for the character that the movie she's in should be good.

[MaximoffTrash]

Chthon is largely unexplored, they have not even interacted (if Wanda were a male hero, they definitely would have).

Interactions like this would be great:
https://youtu.be/GsJcf0Mjuuk

There's that chink in Chthon's vast otherworldly armour that he has this fascination with Wanda and sees her as his daughter, his own Agamotto. That feeds into his whole conflict with his sisters, who both created life, whereas Chthon can only twist it. Chthon has an interest in her that no other human triggers. He is part of Wanda, attached to her dark side, and thus using her power carries the risk of him corrupting her.

He is both patron and nemesis. I would have Chthon even aid Wanda for his own selfish motives and that creating a morally complex situation for Wanda. He is an existential threat to her, but one who can be useful. The same applies to Chthon, of course. Therein lies the long-term conflict.

Also, only Wanda and Blade should be able to defeat Chthon.


Magneto is done to death, totally played out, and their relationship has become unfeasible as it caused the genocide. It's too toxic for Wanda to ever want to go back to. It's preposterous that they would even interact on an even basic level. They would avoid each other for fear of another disaster.
Why in the hell would you go back to a relationship that destroyed you? (Unless you were being used as a plot device for Magneto's manpain). It would be truly "reckless" and "foolish" to want the restoration of any connection to a man who ruined you and abused you.

Well, I personally still think Chthon should wear a cloak, or just not be a humanoid like in Carnage run.
Also technically all four Elder Gods can create, they have their kin races like Serpent Men, Bird Men, N'Garai.(there is no evidence to show they are anything but a direct creation of Chthon, unlike Werewolves and Vampires who are result of Darkhold magic altered humans.) I personally prefer a take that he do that since Earth is controlled by Gaea, and by their pact they shall not interfere with each other's territory.
Wanda is a "work the way around the rule" situation.
Otherwise I like the suggestion.

[MaximoffTrash]

This would explain why she's usally possesed by him, it's a shame that him and Wanda never had a conversation.



I hated that in the Robinson run, he used a new and never saw entity called "Chaos" instead of Chthon.

Just say Chthon impregnated Natalya with magic so he can have some vessels.

I mean, her possesion situation go way back to 1979.
I hope if they do have a converstaion, they would do something other than this generic "villain statement".
About the impregnation stuff, while it's the simple way to do it. I kinda feel it goes against the general theme of the four Elder Gods.
Since Oshtur and Chthon are kinda the two that distance themselves from concept like "sex" and "biological reproduction", even Oshtur's "son" Agamotto is said to be created from her tear according to legend.
While Set and Gaea, the former had stuff like "seven brides of Set" and "seven children of Set", Gaea occupies the "Mother Earth" spot of most major Earth pantheon, in short they have bunch of biological offspring.(By human standard, that is.)
I am just saying "they banged" probably wouldn't fit in this situation.

[leokearon]

This would explain why she's usally possesed by him, it's a shame that him and Wanda never had a conversation.



I hated that in the Robinson run, he used a new and never saw entity called "Chaos" instead of Chthon.

Just say Chthon impregnated Natalya with magic so he can have some vessels.

Or Wanda's dad was a follower of Chthon who wooed Natayla in order to get some powerful vessels for Chthon and then killed her when she had served her purpose

[leokearon]

Thanks SO MUCH for your Posts Maximoffimpact & Phoenixx9, Means Allot and Thanks for all your patience on me starting up my posting again. :-)

Recently I wanted to wait until the Empyre X-Men event recently concluded until I started posting My Reading List again so it would be concluded and talked about and I gave my 2 cents on it as well.

So Lets Get to So Classic Wanda! =D

I have read much since my last post on this but I will be putting up each comic one at a time cause of the Limits to posting on CBR so here we go;

Wanda's Intro is Already Famous Among Famous Moments in Marvel Fandom with her Intro in;


X-Men #4, Vol. 1 from 1963!


Wanda's Intro lines are Very Nice as well, she famously stood-up to the Creep Mastermind after his advances onto her and took No Guff of it, Loved it! =)

Wanda Showed she was no one to take lightly with and would stand-up for herself.

However Her and Pietro as we know only stayed with the Brotherhood for as long as they did cause of the debt they owed to Magneto for Saving Wanda's life form the Angry Mob in their Town. It was more like they where hostage made to serve Magneto then ever really caring or wanted to be apart of his Dark Crusade. Wanda did it out of Honoring of Debt more then anything.

Wanda also showed she could stand-up to the Original 5 X-Men on her own and save her brother Pietro in the Process, another well known and Famous Momnet seen many times before.

Pretty Much the rest of the issue is just abit more fighting then the brotherhood escaping from the X-Men, Wanda not agreeing by a thought bubble with Magneto's destrutive tatics to defeat the X-Men by also trying to harm the people of the Town Magneto had taken over.

As I said this is a Famous Debut book of our Wanda's 1st outing in Marvel History and I still Love it, it is indeed a Treat to Read and Made her character strong to stand-up for herself and support her brother. :-)

A solid start for Wanda in the comics, with a mix of classic beautiful but vulnerable 60's lady and also able to handle herself. I love Warren's reaction to seeing her, especially as Magento would actually try to use Wanda to convince Namor a couple of issues later

[Witchfan]

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[leokearon]

I though it would be interesting to see with all the retcon and changes to Wanda, what is the main head canon(s) with regard our favourite Witch.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/G99J2PT

Ten simple questions, just select the option that agrees with your canon, it doesn't have to be the actual canon answer. Results will be reveal on 1st September. So enjoy.

[MaximoffTrash]

Well, nice and fun little survey.
Though I find some of the answers not really exclusive, yet I can only choose one.
Like I believe the kids are magical constructs but also real, because really magic is part of the rules and order of the world.
Stuff created by life force or other mystical energy are just as real as your standard biological mating.

[gurkle]

Also while I chose "Mystical enhanced mutant" my preferred category for Wanda is "Mutant sorceress." It's clean and simple and it works no matter what balance you think should be given to her power sets, e.g. if she's mostly a mutant who knows some magic, or mostly a sorceress whose magic works through her mutant energy powers.

[GenericUsername]

I chose her being a witch. Because after the witches road stuff and with all the years of training with Agatha, that is most true. The experiment stuff I don't feel has that much of an impact on her. Maybe for the energy manipulation. It's just too complicated to pick one.

Her powers are weird in that poll, because it's basically everything is under the flag of chaos magic now, with some traditional magic on the side. It has magic there, but the others don't all reflect everything she can do. It's just all under the same category now. I chose magic but it doesn't feel well doing that. It's just that at least everything can be done that she can do with magic. But it doesn't really explain everything because she can also probability alter, manipulate energies, reality warp if she taps into a strong enough power.

The kids are also weird, being that it's not that simple. Best friends. I guess it'd be Jan at this moment, because even though she talks about Carol in her solo, she's had the most recent interactions with Janet.

It just doesn't reflect the canon I have for her. Which does follow the books too, but, that is how I see her. And I feel she's too complicated to be narrowed down like this.

[leokearon]

I chose her being a witch. Because after the witches road stuff and with all the years of training with Agatha, that is most true. The experiment stuff I don't feel has that much of an impact on her. Maybe for the energy manipulation. It's just too complicated to pick one.

Her powers are weird in that poll, because it's basically everything is under the flag of chaos magic now, with some traditional magic on the side. It has magic there, but the others don't all reflect everything she can do. It's just all under the same category now. I chose magic but it doesn't feel well doing that. It's just that at least everything can be done that she can do with magic. But it doesn't really explain everything because she can also probability alter, manipulate energies, reality warp if she taps into a strong enough power.

The kids are also weird, being that it's not that simple. Best friends. I guess it'd be Jan at this moment, because even though she talks about Carol in her solo, she's had the most recent interactions with Janet.

It just doesn't reflect the canon I have for her. Which does follow the books too, but, that is how I see her. And I feel she's too complicated to be narrowed down like this.

The complications are exactly why you are only allow one answer. Basically if you had to narrow down Wanda who would you best describe her. Also for her powers, the question is What is her main power and the options reflect her main power are a given time.

[GenericUsername]

The complications are exactly why you are only allow one answer. Basically if you had to narrow down Wanda who would you best describe her. Also for her powers, the question is What is her main power and the options reflect her main power are a given time.

My problem is that it just doesn't reflect how I see her though. But what the poll wants me to choose. Her main power is chaos magic.

[Wiccan]

It should be possible to select more than one option.

[Sutekh]

I kinda wanted to pick both Magneto and Chthon as her daddy, because Magneto did the deed, but Chthon got a little something in the mix, too, IMO, which is why Wanda is so well suited to be his vessel on this Earth.

Similarly, the 'hex bolts' weren't really an option for her primary power, cause I always preferred the mutant hex bolts, with a dash of minor magic, as her main power, with none of the chaos magic / reality manipulation / No More Mutants plot-device-that-wrecks-the-character-for-a-decade stuff.

[GenericUsername]

Yep, a lot of us started reading at different times or prefer different stories and tellings. And with the way Wanda's has been told over the years, she can be many things at once to a lot of people.