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whitecrown
Wow, thanks for that link and all that information! I had no idea that Mark Ruffalo and Don Cheadle were always intended to be the first choices. I knew Ike Perlmutter was a terrible person so I shouldn't be shocked that he made racist comments about Cheadle and Howard and didn't believe a woman could be a superhero villain. So glad he lost his power at Marvel. Same with Joe Quesada who is one of the most misogynistic people who probably ever worked at Marvel. It's because of him that Jean Grey was killed off and dead for so long and why Spider-Man and MJ's marriage was retconned. Anyone who didn't get along with him must be a hero so more power to Feige then.
Downey Jr. may have had personal issues but that was a long time ago and he clearly outgrew them. Renner may not have caused trouble on set but clearly he has major issues in his personal life and isn't the most sane person. On Twitter, a lot of people have pointed out that during public appearances, Elizabeth Olsen looks very uncomfortable near him since he's always touching her in some shape or form.
I know that people didn't really like the Thor movies until Ragnarok and I admit that Thor: The Dark World is one of my least favorite films, but I'm not really a fan of Ragnarok either. I'm fine with the MCU humor but I don't need it in everything and I liked the Shakespearean take on Thor and Kenneth Brannagh is a brilliant director. Ragnarok wasted all the classical mythology imo and was focused more on laughs than coherent storytelling. That's a super unpopular opinion I know, especially since people think Thor has been revitalized as a character since then but the original MCU Thor was more like in the comics and frankly still not close enough for my taste. I actually did like the first two Fantastic Four films but I haven't seen them in forever so I'm not sure how well they've aged. Out of Marvel TV, Daredevil was a major hit and still has a very devoted fanbase trying to get the show back. There's a lot of chances that Daredevil might be revived since the 2 years during which Marvel can't do anything more with the property are nearly up. Jessica Jones was also fairly popular although not as much as Daredevil. Luke Cage was more mixed but people did like it. Iron Fist was the first critical dud and got a lot of flack. Defenders got a lot of flack too. I never saw Punisher but I heard people liked it enough. But yeah, basically Daredevil was the most successful show.
I don't like Whedon very much because it's come out that he wasn't as feminist as he claimed to be and harassed a lot of women, but I do appreciate the fact that he fought to get the Maximoffs and Vision into Age of Ultron. To be honest, I was not an MCU fan until Age of Ultron primarily because these three characters were introduced. It's interesting that your link said that Whedon fought hard for the Hawkeye family subplot to not be removed when frankly I felt that's one of the low points of the film. The Thor subplot may not have been necessary and was editorially mandated, but I'd much rather have that than Family Man Barton. And I do agree that a lot of the female characters in the MCU are a bit interchangable, not just personality wise but also with the same powers, which makes Wanda stand out especially. I think they're doing a lot better with the new female characters like Carol, Shuri, and Okoye though. Mantis too technically even if I'm not a fan of the MCU version of her but at least she's different from the others.
I think the reason Wanda and Vision have such a following in the MCU now is because of scenes and lines like the ones you posted.