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    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    I'd honestly just follow the MCU with a few adjustments.

    HZ- primarily spies and assassins for both domestic and foreign use. Specializing in infiltrations, hacking, and stealth. Like in the movie they're unassuming and masters of disguise, but when needed they can manifest a white, dog-inspired vibranium habit. This gives them the ability to instantaneously turn invisible and move silently. They also double as special ops hitting targets that the king needs put down.

    DM- the kingsguard/secret service. A pair of the greatest female warriors from each of the 24 tribes, responsible for protecting the royal family and special ops directly under the king. Bead armour, transforming vibranium spear-guns, operate at their best when in a group (as seen in the movie where 4 Dora put up a fight against KM)

    Wakandan Armed Forces- Since Wakanda is landlocked, they don't have a conventional navy and simply have an army and air force (which is completely submersible, like the N'Yami warships) Soldiers have transforming spear-guns, small cloaks that can produce personal energy shields, and small arms. While the army is professional, Wakanda has a mandated training program for all able bodied adults so most everyone can be raised as militia if the situation calls for it. Ideally this militia would be shown to have local differences, so the Border Tribe would be shown to be with heavier armor, the River Tribe could have more aquatic enhancements. The armed forces would also have special divisions for superpowered Wakandans (vibranium mutates, loyal mutants, Inhumans, etc.) and Panther Cult warrior-magicians.

    Royal Guards- don't need them. Their primary function is protecting the king in the confines of his home, but the Dora have the same functional purpose. They can exist, but them having black hooded cloaks is the only thing that really matters.
    Landlocked countries still have navies. It's called a landlocked navy instead of a blue water navy. And based on their past history, Wakanda should definitely have a navy.

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    Also, palace guards a very important if you have a monarchy. The worst thing a nation could do is stretch its operations too thin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    Also, palace guards a very important if you have a monarchy. The worst thing a nation could do is stretch its operations too thin.
    Yes, and they should look cool. I think it would make sense for TChalla to have at least one mutant guard. Nothing too flashy or powerful necessarily, but someone who’s a threat. Preferably a new mutant; could even get this mutant a spin-off of their own and have them become a villain possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    Yes, and they should look cool. I think it would make sense for TChalla to have at least one mutant guard. Nothing too flashy or powerful necessarily, but someone who’s a threat.
    I guess that makes sense. But honestly Wakanda should also have a special forces unit dedicated to fighting superhuman threats. Yes, almost every arm of Wakanda's military would be using weaponry more advanced that other militaries of the world. However the best militaries are the ones that have a large number of well trained dedicated special operations units.

    This unit should either be made of superpowered individuals, normal human beings with highly advanced and specialised technology, or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    I guess that makes sense. But honestly Wakanda should also have a special forces unit dedicated to fighting superhuman threats. Yes, almost every arm of Wakanda's military would be using weaponry more advanced that other militaries of the world. However the best militaries are the ones that have a large number of well trained dedicated special operations units.

    This unit should either be made of superpowered individuals, normal human beings with highly advanced and specialised technology, or both.
    Like a small task force group with special abilities. Only problem would be how powerful to make them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    Like a small task force group with special abilities. Only problem would be how powerful to make them....
    They could vary in power levels like any super team in comics. You could have members that have no powers but are highly skilled and use advanced tech, and you could have some with more spectacular power levels.

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    That is what that school was for that was mentioned for allof 5 issues lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    That is what that school was for that was mentioned for allof 5 issues lol
    That’s kind of why I think they should just condense it to one mutant with a interesting power set. Starts off as a menace to Wakanda and then gets brought in to help protect, possibly. Then you could use this character in a variety of ways. A storyline where this character is potentially being disloyal to TChalla and may turn on him, only to find it was that characters way of exposing the enemy. Then they trust the mutant more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    Landlocked countries still have navies. It's called a landlocked navy instead of a blue water navy. And based on their past history, Wakanda should definitely have a navy.
    Most landlocked navies are small and wholly unfit for use on the open seas. They mostly consist of patrol boats for rivers and lakes. I could see Wakanda having those I guess but in a conventional war with the US or Russia I think it makes more sense for Wakanda to rely more on submersible air forces/warships than boats. More utility and makes more sense given their tech capabilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    Also, palace guards a very important if you have a monarchy. The worst thing a nation could do is stretch its operations too thin.
    Palace guards are rendered irrelevant when you have dozens of royal bodyguards. In any given scene T’Challa is surrounded by what, 2-4 Dora lol? It’s not hard to rationalize that the rest of them are either protecting Shuri/Ramonda and handling palace security. I think the palace guards have a place, but it seems easier to just expand on the role of a far more interesting and popular group already occupies. As long as they got the black hoods and the big energy blades the palace guards don’t really matter imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    That is what that school was for that was mentioned for allof 5 issues lol
    A writer should’ve introduced the idea of a Wakandan superteam/special division years ago. And I’ve been saying that all the worldbuilding being done with gamma mutates in Immortal Hulk could be done with vibranium mutates, just add in some BP twists. The groundwork was laid in T’Challa’s early publication history and stuff like the Wakandan School for Alternative Studies was just another piece that current writers (Coates and his co-writers) ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    I guess that makes sense. But honestly Wakanda should also have a special forces unit dedicated to fighting superhuman threats. Yes, almost every arm of Wakanda's military would be using weaponry more advanced that other militaries of the world. However the best militaries are the ones that have a large number of well trained dedicated special operations units.

    This unit should either be made of superpowered individuals, normal human beings with highly advanced and specialised technology, or both.
    Love the last description. Where is the Wakandan version of a super soldier program? Where is the mutant/genetics division of their fighting forces? Redjack did amazing rundown of the levels to the military forces, I think it should be canon. However he didn't go far enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkrook View Post
    Love the last description. Where is the Wakandan version of a super soldier program? Where is the mutant/genetics division of their fighting forces? Redjack did amazing rundown of the levels to the military forces, I think it should be canon. However he didn't go far enough.
    Haven't you heard? All X-Gene positive Wakandans were banished to Krakoa as they collectively posed a threat to Wakandan security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    Most landlocked navies are small and wholly unfit for use on the open seas. They mostly consist of patrol boats for rivers and lakes. I could see Wakanda having those I guess but in a conventional war with the US or Russia I think it makes more sense for Wakanda to rely more on submersible air forces/warships than boats. More utility and makes more sense given their tech capabilities.
    We're talking about a nation that fought a war with sea dwelling beings. Even if it won't have a large number of human personnel, a navy is absolutely necessary to protect themselves and neighbouring countries (since there seem to be protectorate countries under Wakanda now, and T'Challa at least doesn't believe in isolationism). At least they need to have the advanced equipment for that kind of surveillance.

    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    Palace guards are rendered irrelevant when you have dozens of royal bodyguards. In any given scene T’Challa is surrounded by what, 2-4 Dora lol? It’s not hard to rationalize that the rest of them are either protecting Shuri/Ramonda and handling palace security. I think the palace guards have a place, but it seems easier to just expand on the role a far more interesting and popular group already occupies. As long as they got the black hoods and the big energy blades the royal guards don’t really matter imo.
    The Queen of England has her personal bodyguards AND the Queen's Guard which protects royal residencies. Protecting palaces and protecting the royals are not the same thing. Obviously protecting the king is more important but spreading operations thin is a bad thing.

    Assuming there's a rebellion and the Dora betray their king. If they are solely responsible for protecting the palace then they'd let the insurgents in, leaving the royals vulnerable. Palace guards are the first line of defence in a situation like this and keeping them as a separate unit from the Dora Milaje ensures stuff like that doesn't happen. It goes both ways too if it's the palace guards that betray the king and it falls to the Dora Milaje to protect the royal family. Of course both could conspire against the king, but keeping them as individual units reduces the chances of it happening.

    Additionally protecting palaces and royal residencies is of both strategic and symbolic importance. They're strongholds and people need to know that they're safe, even if they're just buildings. And specialisation doesn't render any unit irrelevant. That's why armed forces have branches and sub-branches. If the Dora along have to protect the king and the royal family (at home or overseas) as well as the palace, they'll be spread thin and can't be as effective at either job. Letting another unit handle it allows for specialisation to occur and them to be better at the job.

    It's like saying the White House doesn't need on-ground security because the President has Secret Service-assigned bodyguards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    Haven't you heard? All X-Gene positive Wakandans were banished to Krakoa as they collectively posed a threat to Wakandan security.
    which is nonsense, of course.

    as is the notion of a overly militarized Wakanda. they're not Sparta.

    these are the only civilized humans on earth. they have galaxy level tech compared to been the greatest minds on the planet. they hav zero imperial, aggressive tendencies or they'd have conquered the world a long time ago.

    folks are crazy.

    they are isolationists, not racists. if mutants have existed for as long as marvel says they have it stands to reason Wakanda was the first civilization to know them for what they are and incorporate them into its society. you have to start thinking of wakanda as Krypton or Asgard. That's how much it has in common with the rest of the world.

    Also, Vibraxis, as much as i hate that name, seemed to get along with everyone fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    We're talking about a nation that fought a war with sea dwelling beings. Even if it won't have a large number of human personnel, a navy is absolutely necessary to protect themselves and neighbouring countries (since there seem to be protectorate countries under Wakanda now, and T'Challa at least doesn't believe in isolationism). At least they need to have the advanced equipment for that kind of surveillance.



    The Queen of England has her personal bodyguards AND the Queen's Guard which protects royal residencies. Protecting palaces and protecting the royals are not the same thing. Obviously protecting the king is more important but spreading operations thin is a bad thing.

    Assuming there's a rebellion and the Dora betray their king. If they are solely responsible for protecting the palace then they'd let the insurgents in, leaving the royals vulnerable. Palace guards are the first line of defence in a situation like this and keeping them as a separate unit from the Dora Milaje ensures stuff like that doesn't happen. It goes both ways too if it's the palace guards that betray the king and it falls to the Dora Milaje to protect the royal family. Of course both could conspire against the king, but keeping them as individual units reduces the chances of it happening.

    Additionally protecting palaces and royal residencies is of both strategic and symbolic importance. They're strongholds and people need to know that they're safe, even if they're just buildings. And specialisation doesn't render any unit irrelevant. That's why armed forces have branches and sub-branches. If the Dora along have to protect the king and the royal family (at home or overseas) as well as the palace, they'll be spread thin and can't be as effective at either job. Letting another unit handle it allows for specialisation to occur and them to be better at the job.

    It's like saying the White House doesn't need on-ground security because the President has Secret Service-assigned bodyguards.
    The N'yami cruisers work underwater as well as in the air. Airforce and Navy are probably all the same branch

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