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    Quote Originally Posted by dkrook View Post
    Love the last description. Where is the Wakandan version of a super soldier program? Where is the mutant/genetics division of their fighting forces? Redjack did amazing rundown of the levels to the military forces, I think it should be canon. However he didn't go far enough.
    Since hyper advanced technology seems to be Wakanda's thing I imagine Wakanda would have a Future Soldier program instead or would have it already implemented. Soldiers with advanced exo-skeleton armour, AI assistants (like the Halo SPARTANs), remote controlled drones and mini-tanks/vehicles for reconnaissance and combat, all kinds of future militaristic gadgets that are being planned in real life right now. They've had them for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cville View Post
    The N'yami cruisers work underwater as well as in the air. Airforce and Navy are probably all the same branch
    Well it's normal for all these branches to coordinate and provide assistance to one another. Land armies get their air support jets and helicopters from the air force. The air force use the navy's docking ships. That's normal. The air force and navy as well as the land force collectively make up the armed forces. So while they're not under the same branch and have their specialisations, they work together. So for instance I can see the N'yami cruiser being an air force equipment that they coordinatively launch with the navy.

    But really these branches are meant to be separate for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    Since hyper advanced technology seems to be Wakanda's thing I imagine Wakanda would have a Future Soldier program instead or would have it already implemented. Soldiers with advanced exo-skeleton armour, AI assistants (like the Halo SPARTANs), remote controlled drones and mini-tanks/vehicles for reconnaissance and combat, all kinds of future militaristic gadgets that are being planned in real life right now. They've had them for years.
    Yea now that should get done. But they already have something better than the tanks with the Prowlers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cville View Post
    The N'yami cruisers work underwater as well as in the air. Airforce and Navy are probably all the same branch
    I would argue that it's easier to go into space than the deeps of the ocean. If Wakanda can bring it to Atlantis it would make sense to me that they have some sort of moniker for air, sea, and space. With marines of some sort as a supplement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MouserGrey View Post
    I would argue that it's easier to go into space than the deeps of the ocean. If Wakanda can bring it to Atlantis it would make sense to me that they have some sort of moniker for air, sea, and space. With marines of some sort as a supplement.
    That sounds like Enterprise when they got the MACO units in season 2.(?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanguard View Post
    Yea now that should get done. But they already have something better than the tanks with the Prowlers.

    I would imagine they have both armoured tanks, armoured vehicles (to transport soldiers) and the Prowlers being the most destructive land vehicle.

    Also, where are these images from?

    Quote Originally Posted by MouserGrey View Post
    I would argue that it's easier to go into space than the deeps of the ocean. If Wakanda can bring it to Atlantis it would make sense to me that they have some sort of moniker for air, sea, and space. With marines of some sort as a supplement.
    Yea I forgot to put a space section my breakdown as well. I imagine they've got infantry that can fight in low-gravity environments, vehicles and spacecrafts that can fight in open space or on planets with harsh environments, and satellites for reconnaissance/space observation. Space stations that host armada for space combat.

    I imagine they also have a crew that mans their space-to-land weapons such as orbital strikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    I would imagine they have both armoured tanks, armoured vehicles (to transport soldiers) and the Prowlers being the most destructive land vehicle.

    Also, where are these images from?



    Yea I forgot to put a space section my breakdown as well. I imagine they've got infantry that can fight in low-gravity environments, vehicles and spacecrafts that can fight in open space or on planets with harsh environments, and satellites for reconnaissance/space observation. Space stations that host armada for space combat.

    I imagine they also have a crew that mans their space-to-land weapons such as orbital strikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    I prefer to use England as a basis (as ironic as that may be) since it's got a monarchy.

    Dora Milaje: Personal bodyguards of the king and the royal family. British equivalent are the Sovereign's Bodyguard

    King's Guards: Protectors of the palace, other royal residencies, and royal bank, etc. British equivalent are the Queen's Guard.

    Wakandan Army: Principal land warfare force. First branch of the Wakandan Armed Forces. Includes special forces like the Hatut Zeraze.

    - Hatut Zeraze: Special reconnaissance unit of the Wakandan Army. Conduct a wide range of classified activities related to covert surveillance ad reconnaissance

    Royal Navy: Principal naval warfare force. Second branch of the Wakandan Armed Forces. Includes the Royal Marines.

    - Royal Marines: Wakandan's amphibious light infantry force for rapid deployment worldwide. Capable of dealing with a wide range of threats. Part of the Royal Navy.

    Royal Air Force: Principal aerial warfare force. Third branch of the Wakandan Armed Forces.

    Wakandan Intelligence Service: Wakanda's foreign intelligence service (AKA their spies). British equivalent is the Secret Intelligence Service or MI6
    This works although I would say the HZ don't fit into an actual Wakandan military branch ad they were originally secret police. As such, they should be used in such a manner. They take orders and are directly guided by the king or queen.

    I like this set up but again if this is what we want in the conics I would simply it even more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micabe View Post
    Haven't you heard? All X-Gene positive Wakandans were banished to Krakoa as they collectively posed a threat to Wakandan security.
    Funny and sadly possible. I fully expect that in some point in the X-books either Gentle or Muti will imply Wakanda has a problem with mutants. The idea of mutants in Wakanda is one of those things that should've been explained away by saying vibranium radiation sterilized the population of the X-gene.

    But it's canon and the best that can be done is defying the narrative by having a character like Muti actually live a regular life. He's actually the type of mutant I'd want to see in the mythos, no combat-oriented powers, agreeable personality, and not complaining about mutant oppression. Set him up with an apprenticeship to Taku and I'd be happy lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    We're talking about a nation that fought a war with sea dwelling beings. Even if it won't have a large number of human personnel, a navy is absolutely necessary to protect themselves and neighbouring countries (since there seem to be protectorate countries under Wakanda now, and T'Challa at least doesn't believe in isolationism). At least they need to have the advanced equipment for that kind of surveillance.



    The Queen of England has her personal bodyguards AND the Queen's Guard which protects royal residencies. Protecting palaces and protecting the royals are not the same thing. Obviously protecting the king is more important but spreading operations thin is a bad thing.

    Assuming there's a rebellion and the Dora betray their king. If they are solely responsible for protecting the palace then they'd let the insurgents in, leaving the royals vulnerable. Palace guards are the first line of defence in a situation like this and keeping them as a separate unit from the Dora Milaje ensures stuff like that doesn't happen. It goes both ways too if it's the palace guards that betray the king and it falls to the Dora Milaje to protect the royal family. Of course both could conspire against the king, but keeping them as individual units reduces the chances of it happening.

    Additionally protecting palaces and royal residencies is of both strategic and symbolic importance. They're strongholds and people need to know that they're safe, even if they're just buildings. And specialisation doesn't render any unit irrelevant. That's why armed forces have branches and sub-branches. If the Dora along have to protect the king and the royal family (at home or overseas) as well as the palace, they'll be spread thin and can't be as effective at either job. Letting another unit handle it allows for specialisation to occur and them to be better at the job.

    It's like saying the White House doesn't need on-ground security because the President has Secret Service-assigned bodyguards.
    I know palace guards and royal guards aren't the same thing in real life, but this is comics and streamlining things makes sense when talking about nameless redshirts. The chances of the palace guards ever going against the king is a real-world consideration that shouldn't factor into the fiction because they're irrelevant in-universe and have their niche occupied by a more visible order of warriors.

    It makes sense to just have the group that protects the king when he's overseas handle the protection of the palace. T'Challa can handle himself and at any given time is flanked by a handful of Dora. The rest could theoretically just be at the palace, with the black-clad royal guards as a kind of heavy support team. It's not spreading resources if you got a little more than 40 Dora coordinating palace security with 100 or so palace guards. The Dora are the embodiment of Wakandan unity so you can easily justify them leading the domestic role of protecting the royal residence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyo1000 View Post
    This works although I would say the HZ don't fit into an actual Wakandan military branch ad they were originally secret police. As such, they should be used in such a manner. They take orders and are directly guided by the king or queen.
    You do have a point. The first time we see the HZ they're torturing someone they believed to be a traitor (which looks like a counter-terrorism thing), and it's implied that common Wakadans don't know of their existence or know what they do. Hunter talks about them being willing to get their hands dirty in a very secretive manner so I can imagine they do a lot of covert and clandestine/black operations. That would put them in the nations intelligence agency rather than in the army. They're paramilitary, not a part of the armed forces. Kinda like the Special Activities Center division of the CIA, particularly the Special Operations Group (SOG) department which the US government has plausible deniability over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    I would imagine they have both armoured tanks, armoured vehicles (to transport soldiers) and the Prowlers being the most destructive land vehicle.

    Also, where are these images from?.
    The one with Panthro is from Pinterest search images. The big prowler pic is from Rise of the Black Panther short series that had some great art in it mostly, not all of the art was great, but most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief12d View Post
    I know palace guards and royal guards aren't the same thing in real life, but this is comics and streamlining things makes sense when talking about nameless redshirts. The chances of the palace guards ever going against the king is a real-world consideration that shouldn't factor into the fiction because they're irrelevant in-universe and have their niche occupied by a more visible order of warriors.

    It makes sense to just have the group that protects the king when he's overseas handle the protection of the palace. T'Challa can handle himself and at any given time is flanked by a handful of Dora. The rest could theoretically just be at the palace, with the black-clad royal guards as a kind of heavy support team. It's not spreading resources if you got a little more than 40 Dora coordinating palace security with 100 or so palace guards. The Dora are the embodiment of Wakandan unity so you can easily justify them leading the domestic role of protecting the royal residence.
    But Wakanda has always had palace guards and the Dora since Priest. It's not something I'm randomly suggesting out of nowhere or because the movie did it. It's just more strategically sound to have that distinction. They can be the faceless and nameless redshirts while the focus is on the Dora since their job is more intimate.

    And honestly the less Dora the better. The movie gave us about a dozen of them which is a good number. They're bodyguards, not soldiers. That way you can give at least two other ones aside from Okoye a name and some dialogue as they're in charge of Shuri and Ramonda.

    Streamlining only makes sense when you've got a writer that doesn't care about fleshing stuff out. Look at Empyre using the entirety of the Dora as Wakanda's army when that's not their job. It's streamlined, but it takes away the opportunity of world-building, which Wakanda is lacking in various departments despite being one of Marvel's most popular exotic locations. Wakanda could seriously use the world-building and since being a warrior nation is one of their niches I don't see why it can't be fleshed out with lots of detail instead of just streamlining everything because it's easier to think about.

    Like no, I want to know about every sub-division of Wakanda's forces. That doesn't mean I want to start introducing new characters and giving them panel space. I just want the world to feel lived in and tangible. Streamlining is boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blind Wedjat View Post
    Since hyper advanced technology seems to be Wakanda's thing I imagine Wakanda would have a Future Soldier program instead or would have it already implemented. Soldiers with advanced exo-skeleton armour, AI assistants (like the Halo SPARTANs), remote controlled drones and mini-tanks/vehicles for reconnaissance and combat, all kinds of future militaristic gadgets that are being planned in real life right now. They've had them for years.
    Yeah I wouldn't want Wakanda to have a super soldier program, that's what the HSH is supposed to be. But if you need an elite group, that's where AoW comes in, the REAL AoW and not the C list group of ransoms we had.

    Take Halo, gears of war, and Titan Fall, and destiny. Combine them together and that's what Wakanda is sporting for their future warrior program.

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