Black Panther Appreciation 2020

[Mr MajestiK]

Meh CW fights are kinda over hyped. CW stuff looks cool until you start breaking it down on what actually happens and it's not very impressive compared to the solo

I knew you were going to say this.

[Overhazard]

I thought the fight choreography was okay between T'challa and Killmonger, though I suppose T'challa won the second time because he was more used to fighting with powers than killmonger was, but what do I know? The one nitpick I had about Endgame is that the Hulk should have fought Thanos. Carol no selling the headbutt was cool, but from a story standpoint, it would have made more sense for the hulk to get his rematch. He hasn't really had one since the first avengers when he punched the leviathan.

[DigiCom]

Yesteryears super hero movies used to have that tell not show way of depicting what happened!

In all fairness, they were limited by what they could do. I mean, back in 1978, just seeing Superman flying was ground-breaking. It was even the tagline:

"You'll believe a man can fly."

(And the Zod fight in Superman II was pretty cool, if occasionally goofy.)

For instance... The elevator fight scene in CA: Winter Soldier if it had been filmed in the distant past would have had Steve Rogers exiting the elevator with bodies laid out as opposed to the epic battle we got to witness blow for blow!


Comic book movies these days show a whole lot more fight action than previous years to where you almost cringe at the Nolan Batman versus Bane fight that technically looks unclear how Bruce lost the first fight!

A lot of that has less to do with choreography and more to do with the introduction of wire-fu in Western cinema. Movies like The Matrix really raised the bar.

I mean do either of these Jedi/Sith masters look like they are fast enough to block laser bolts aimed at them...

The original Star Wars based its swordplay (among other things) on old-school samurai movies. Speed was not the point. Storytelling was... this was two old rivals, meeting for the last time. Jumping around like grasshoppers wouldn't have delivered the right mood.

As one of the best fight choreographers in film history (and one of my personal idols) once put it:

"A good fight should be like a small play, but played seriously."

[Gessela]

In my opinion, The Matrix benefited tremendously from having Yuen Woo-Ping on their team, and the original Star Wars would have benefited greatly from having the best available Chanbara choreographers on staff at the time.

If you have characters that are Martial Arts based hire and/or study the fight choreographers that have decades of proficiency of putting great scenes on film. Yuen Woo-Ping, Donnie Yen, Iko Uwais & Yayan Ruhian, Ching Siu-tung are some names to consider. Though if they went this route it would be crucial to keep advisors with knowledge of traditional African Martial Arts on staff to maintain authenticity.

For the Black Panther film in particular, I think they had good fight advisors and choreographers on hand (as witness in some of the behind the scenes footage), but translating that on film is an art in itself.

[FLEX HECTIC]

Man, you come right out of a comic book!

[XJlock]

I thought the fight choreography was okay between T'challa and Killmonger, though I suppose T'challa won the second time because he was more used to fighting with powers than killmonger was, but what do I know?

He won the second time because he did not make the same mistake of asking him to yield and avoiding to give him a fatal blow.

[FLEX HECTIC]

The story thus far...


I was at a discount bookstore and bought the novel Black Panther: The Young Prince by Ronald L. Smith!


Eventually I'll get around to speed-reading it and offer my candid review!


https://www.marvel.com/articles/comi...e-young-prince

[Ezyo1000]

I knew you were going to say this.

Ha ha have i become too predictable brother Maj?

[Ezyo1000]

In all fairness, they were limited by what they could do. I mean, back in 1978, just seeing Superman flying was ground-breaking. It was even the tagline:

"You'll believe a man can fly."

(And the Zod fight in Superman II was pretty cool, if occasionally goofy.)





A lot of that has less to do with choreography and more to do with the introduction of wire-fu in Western cinema. Movies like The Matrix really raised the bar.




The original Star Wars based its swordplay (among other things) on old-school samurai movies. Speed was not the point. Storytelling was... this was two old rivals, meeting for the last time. Jumping around like grasshoppers wouldn't have delivered the right mood.

As one of the best fight choreographers in film history (and one of my personal idols) once put it:

"A good fight should be like a small play, but played seriously."

Well that and, George Lucas has said thst he wanted Hamil and the others to treat lightsabers like they weighed 50lbs, though that idea changed as the sequels went on

[DigiCom]

In my opinion, The Matrix benefited tremendously from having Yuen Woo-Ping on their team, and the original Star Wars would have benefited greatly from having the best available Chanbara choreographers on staff at the time.

Oh absolutely. There are some great Tsui Hark wuxia films that are superheroes in all but name.

Man, you come right out of a comic book!

Well spotted, Brother Flex.

Well that and, George Lucas has said thst he wanted Hamil and the others to treat lightsabers like they weighed 50lbs, though that idea changed as the sequels went on

True. Particularly in Empire, the lightsabers are more like broadswords. Lots of big baseball swings.

[Klaue's Mixtape]

In my opinion, The Matrix benefited tremendously from having Yuen Woo-Ping on their team, and the original Star Wars would have benefited greatly from having the best available Chanbara choreographers on staff at the time.

If you have characters that are Martial Arts based hire and/or study the fight choreographers that have decades of proficiency of putting great scenes on film. Yuen Woo-Ping, Donnie Yen, Iko Uwais & Yayan Ruhian, Ching Siu-tung are some names to consider. Though if they went this route it would be crucial to keep advisors with knowledge of traditional African Martial Arts on staff to maintain authenticity.

For the Black Panther film in particular, I think they had good fight advisors and choreographers on hand (as witness in some of the behind the scenes footage), but translating that on film is an art in itself.

I wonder if its because he had a different DP on this one than Creed. Also maybe adjusting to having to control so many different things.

I want to see this translated into a "Black Panther" fight


Obviously gotta speed it up to match the superhero stuff.

I think the Casino scene almost got it. However, I'd love for him to perfect it to that level.

[MadFacedKid]

I don't think the fights were better or worse... just different. One was a more realistic fight, while the other is a pure comic book fight. Both needed what they needed to be to tell the story.

It's almost not a fair comparison in some ways because a hero vs hero fight is a somewhat bigger deal. Sort of like how Godzilla vs King Kong is kind of a bigger deal than Godzilla vs Ghidorah. It's more of a cross over, which makes it more special.

That’s exactly how I’d describe the ritual fights I guess it contrast the difference between T’Challa with the herb and T’Challa without it but for the most part for me atleast it was pretty underwhelming. It’s a comic book movie the fights don’t really need realism, especially given it’s connected to the greater MCU. Killmonger never had the herb until after the ritual fight and was stated to have been proficient in several forms of combat if the movie didn’t state that I wouldn’t have no reason to believe it. Those ritual fights honestly reminded me of the Nolan Batman movies, great movies but the fights aren’t what people really think about.

Disagree big time. Bucky fight was two suped guys fighting it out. So you can't expect them to move with the same quickness or have all those crazy cuts.

Waterfall fights were some of the best in the MCU that had real meaning behind it. Hand to hand combat is always going to be a favorite for people and I get that. However, that was truly a warriors battle. Using weapons with skill.

It was a great contrast of a tactician vs. unrelenting rage. T'Challa skillfuly could have deaded Killmonger twice. However, that face wound unleashed a rage in Killmonger that was captivating.

Cinematography, choreography, score, acting, etc....its a perfect fight. A perfect HUMAN fight. Not the usual Superhero theatrics and its quick cuts felt far more natural and earned in some ways.

Shame the final fight had such poor CGI/framing that those battles get overlooked.

Again it takes place in a comic book world. Daredevil has enhanced senses outside sight and he comes off way more skilled then what we saw from herbless Panther which was underwhelming to me. Elektra who should probably have just as much combat experience as T’Challa maybe even less comes off way more skilled without the superior stats pre-Death.

In Civil War T’Challa outside the suit looked like he was reading Bucky’s strikes dodging each of them, then pushing him back with fancy footwork. Heck he never even fell flat on the ground he remained in some type of stance ready to deliver his next attack. He was on the herb though I guess.

It’s not necessarily that the fighting was bad though to me it was just the pacing and how it was displayed. It’s like filming someone throw a jab compared to showing the jab being thrown, how the opponent views the jab, the conditions set to get the jab to land and whatnot. I think Superman vs Zod would be my super powered example cause that’s what Zack Snyder excels at is his fight pacing. Watchmen too.

[Mr MajestiK]

Ha ha have i become too predictable brother Maj?

Nope.

Just steadfast and honourably dependable as ever.

[Redjack]

so, this happened. second IMAGE AWARD nom for the show.

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[Vibranium Weave]

so, this happened. second IMAGE AWARD nom for the show.

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Great job! I watched all of the episodes. As a BP fan, I noticed the references to the comic book storylines like Enemy of the State 2.

It was a good idea to have a story where a previous Black Panther meet Thor.

Is there any chance of it coming back? You should also shoot your shot for the next person to write Black Panther Comic Book with Marvel.