except he hasn't even delved knto the gods anymore then any other writer has. Nono e knows who the orishas ™ are still, other then apparently they are responsible for Wakandas wealth and success instead of their own power, and we still know nothing more about bast other then under Coates she is basically a child. He basically took the special thing about Wakanda and gave haters exactly what they want: and excuse to explain away Wakandans being exceptional on their own.
Lol you write the above and talk as though MK Punk'd TChalla (he didn't) and then claim that his Wakandan tech failed against mk (it didn't, in fact Mks power failed against TChalla) it kinda deflates your whole argument. TChalla is looking at the end game. Considering what he has faced (super skrulls, the black order, etc) there's little doubt Wakanda would win. However, TChalla sees that there is more going on obviously given the conversation he has with Steve.
TChalla defeated foes greater than adversary. Wakandan tech has faced against stronger opponents who actually have a level of continuity and depth to them. TChalla beat the Panther God (back on gillis run) with tech. Adversary doesn't have the feats to warrant a threat ad big other then a character saying he is dangerous. Yet he got beaten by a metal box.. Wakanda is more than a match
I'm late to this party but c'mon yall, no one has to downplay these two character's just to prove what they're capable of, seriously. BP knows how powerful storm is and he's mentioned the goddess thing before and Tchalla is literally in storms words which is canon "the most brilliant man she's ever met\known" and the most dangerous man alive. Y'all were talking about the adversary thing which is pretty simple to explain, Ororro beating adversary was possible because Tchalla if we're being honest even if he didn't defeat the threat himself he coached Ro into overcoming the claustrophobia thing and demanded she rose to the occasion and believed in her powers it's not like our boy dropped to his knees like a preacher in a Sunday sermon, I've been keeping up with the current BP comic and been paying attention. Not a big fan of coates writing style but I'm a BP fan and I'll support the character regardless of coates and I'm a storm fan as well but I'm not bias because bp and storm work well together and both character's know how dangerous they can be, no point in starting a flame war over who can do this and that it ain't gonna go anywhere plus it seems pretty petty to pit two black heroes against each other just for fan favoritism if you ask me. I'm just super sayin. Just my input to this debacle.
Its succeeded against more powerful opponents, and failed against weaker ones. When it needs to work for the purposes of the story, it does. If it needs to be completely ineffective, like against Morlun, then it will. It's up to the writer to determine what the story needs.
And those types of stories are stupid. Straight up. Wakandan tech is the greatest on earth and honestly I didn't like how morlun just plowed through Wakandan tech like that. It was a poor showing of Wakandan tech. ESPECIALLY when we get this like TChalla flying Thanos brain (who is far greater then morlun) with the remnants of his destroyed cell. Plot should never drive characteristics or capabilities of characters without explanation. As in, if we have seen what Wakanda tech can do to armies, gods, cosmic beings etc. So of it's going to be ineffective then it needs a damn good reason. Plus that's a one off story compared to the many showings of Wakandan tech dealing with greater foes
You know, I was thinking about this. The Adversary is one of those super god level characters who can go toe to toe with Roma so I imagine he's comparable to Mephisto. But Mephisto feels like the best of the best. Of course, Mephisto in his dimension is more powerful.
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COurse, Thanos also did defeat Wakanda pretty decisively. So he shouldn't necessarily be a good guage of what Wakanda can and can't do as far as using ABC logic. He works either way.
As for the reason why it's ineffective at times... the obvious reason is if Wakandan tech could literally handle anything T'Challa frankly would never even need to leave the palace. And it will fall short when the story requires it to. Because technology and magical characters are essentially plot devices, writers have a descent amount of freedom to sort of handle it as they see it. Which is why I don't think you can really complain too much if Thanos is able to overcome Wakandan tech, or if he's overcome by Wakandan tech. It works either way.
It's been awhile since I read that story. Do it was god energy that allowed him to shrug off the tech? That goes back to my point in my post, thee needs to be a damn good explanation. That is a good explanation then.
What's not a good explanation, it's Coates entire series where a dozen goons almost defeated Wakanda because reasons, same with adversary, same with the intergalactic Wakanda. No explanation other then plot demands it
If I had to guess I'd say they have comparable levels of power... but Adversary has more inherent weakness which probably make him easier to beat.
But he is up there in power. He just doesn't get as much play as Mephisto, so he doesn't get the same level of cred. Mephisto is the poster boy for high end evil mystical beings in the MU. He's Coke to Adversarys Mr. Pibb.
yes he can leave earth and doesnt need to go to earth first to travel elsewhere. his dimension hell is simply tied to earth as it is fueled by human souls.
alternatively, adversary's power isnt tied to one dimension or any dimension. he is the god of chaos the antithesis to order. he is everywhere and life itself depends on him:
1. he's done more with the wakandan god concept than any other writer and has laid the foundation for other writers to explore if they so choose.
2. Did Tchalla fight back against MK? Or did he simply surrender?
3. no one knows the extent of adversary true power. you cant say that even so much us still unknown about him and what makes him tick.
what coates did was absolutely beautiful and both their love for another allowed rgen to defeat an enemy that is a universal threat. I see nothing absolutely wrong with that and its unfortunate that his work is turned into opposite of that. thank you for this post.
ok will do thanks love. I mentioned in another post I'm sure people can argue either way depending on the context.
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No Thanos didn't defeat Wakanda decisively. He lost the first two times. It took him 3 tries and the only reason he was successful the third time was because of betrayal.
Abd you seem to be misusing the term a match for anything. Redjack showed it the best in the last Avenger. Wakandan tech was a match for the avengers. TChalla still had to work for his wins but his tech was able to handle anything thrown at him. It's not a catch all while TChalla sips mimosa's, but The most technologically advanced nation on earth should mean something