Black Panther Appreciation 2020

[chief12d]

Well looking past the political commentary I think there's a valid discussion to be had about Letitia's comments in terms of BP2. Does Marvel recast her? If they do, do they recast T'Challa as well?

I think if anything this bolsters the PR of recasting T'Challa since Letitia is arguably too unhinged and unready for primetime to lead the franchise. We'll see.

[Ezyo1000]

Ultimately as I said, people are free to voice their opinions, but just be prepared for what comes next. Yes she is an actress and thsrs her job but Also what you say and hoe you conduct yourself is equally important. But again this is also why I don't post much on facebook and dont use twitter at all.

But frankly I really an only concerned about the details of BP2 and don't really spend time on what celebrities say either.

[Besouro]

Maybe they think they won't get caught. Cancel Culture doesn't seem to effect blue checkmarks on twitter, the cancelers think they're doing something, deplatforming people, but the cancelees just go somewhere else.

Yup.....they go to an "alt-tech" social media platform named "Parler".

[Besouro]

Ehhhh I wouldn't say Coates was hyped to be BPs writer. It took him 4 interviews to actually say what he liked about the character, the first interviews revolved around tearing at the franchise, saying things like there's no way a man could be surrounded by beautiful women who would do whatever he wanted and NOT take advantage of the situation. Dude had a lot of negative things to say and I showed in his run. It's not the same as Hudlins. Hudlin was controversial Because he was showing T'Challa as unapologetically black and making waves on the 616 by forcing people to take T'Challa and Wakanda seriously. Coates is controversial Because his run is filled with some of the most racist stereotypes of Africa and portrays Wakanda as an allegory for columbus and the slave trade. Tow totally different beasts here

Very well said....agreed and co-signed!!!

[Devaishwarya]

I have very strong concerns about the C-19 vaccine, as well. Do I care to share those concerns with thousands of strangers? Absolutely not. It's not because I am fearful of a "backlash" (the opinions of strangers mean absolutely nothing to me) it's because those thoughts and opinions are mine and mine alone, to be shared with only a very select few of my closest friends.

As with the whole JK Rowling issue and any "hot topic" issue on social media really, not all opinions need to be shared. In fact I would say, 99.99 % of all personal opinions...from celebrities or "regular joes" but mainly celebrities...don't need to be shared, at all.

I agree with Ezyo 100%...at the end of the day, all I'm interested in is comics and news related to comics...keep your unwanted (and often times stupid and ill-conceived) thoughts and opinions to yourself. Or, at the very least...think long and hard and deep before you type and send that opinion, because you will be judged.

[Besouro]

As a bp fan, 2020 has been exhausting.

Preach ...!!!!!!

2020 has been painful beyond belief. My goodness!!!

[MindofShadow]

If Letitia is still just supporting character Shuri, no, you don't recast at all. She's an idiot and potentially a dangerous idiot but it isn't like she is the face of the franchise. She is like... 5th? in pecking order (recasted T'challa, Villain, Danai, Lupita would all be "ahead" of her)

Now, if she si taking the lead of the franchise.... that is a whole different conversation.

I’ve seen the video I don’t agree with it his logic on why not to take the meds but I agree with her right to post it & wateva else she wants & with her right to believe that reasoning If she likes regardless if I agree.. All I know/really care about is Black folks being dumb enuff to be 1st in line for government sanction meds/vaccinations & experimentation.. Anything else, the who, the why/why not to & etc is secondary at best to me when it comes to Black folks deciding NOT to sign up to be experimented on..

Well considering black people are being hit hardest by the virus, they should be rushing for it.

BUT...

They won't be. Military, medical workers, and on down the list will be "first." Black people who live in hard to reach places won't be anywhere near first in line.

[FLEX HECTIC]

Don't just talk to em Willy Wonka... SPEAK to em!!!





(insert impromptu rap battle freestyle diss Oompa Loompa high energy break dance video)


So how long before Letitia Wright reaches martyrdom level...


Princess Shuri: "I want a vibranium goose Noooooooooooow!"

[XJlock]

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[Steel Inquisitor]

Ehhhh I wouldn't say Coates was hyped to be BPs writer. It took him 4 interviews to actually say what he liked about the character, the first interviews revolved around tearing at the franchise, saying things like there's no way a man could be surrounded by beautiful women who would do whatever he wanted and NOT take advantage of the situation. Dude had a lot of negative things to say and I showed in his run. It's not the same as Hudlins. Hudlin was controversial Because he was showing T'Challa as unapologetically black and making waves on the 616 by forcing people to take T'Challa and Wakanda seriously. Coates is controversial Because his run is filled with some of the most racist stereotypes of Africa and portrays Wakanda as an allegory for columbus and the slave trade. Tow totally different beasts here

Got links to those interviews? I'd like to read them. I'm not sure sure him doing that is proof he hates the franchise, if he did he wouldn't be digging into the flaws he saw and wanted to correct - people only do that because they care. I disagree that no man would be able to resist that temptation, but it's debatable many men won't take advantage in that position. This is why T'Challa is so impressive, he's able to control his impulses to a degree like Batman. That's something you'd fine with most writers in comics books, they didn't like every single thing in the series they're writing. That's why they improve it, most don't admit it out loud. Hudlin was doing things like starting his run with making Wakanda come off as dicks to the world by creating the cure for cancer and not giving it away because everyone else is unworthy and I think something about it being weaponised? And retconning Priest's T'Chaka/Captain America fight to where T'Chaka won when it was a draw, gives the impression he can't stand Black Panther being an equal to anyone, especially a white man. And the preachiness and lack of subtly, Christopher Priest he was not. I did like Shuri, even if she was drawn like she was from a 90's Image bad girl. People took Wakanda seriously, Priest spent years building that up and he was successful in revitalising the nation and BP. Haven't read Coats run yet so I don't have an opinion on those complaints, I recall people complaining about T'Challa showing a vulnerable side when he's written more as a god from distance so readers aren't let into his thoughts when he's having doubts. He's naturally not going to be posturing as an unbeatable bad ass every second of his life, Priest occasionally let this through but he was able to make T'Challa larger then life by keeping readers distant from him. We saw him through other people like Ross, Nakia and other supporting cast. Isn't the slavery thing from the Wakandan empire in space? They may technically be part of Wakanda, but they're an off shoot and it's not like Wakanda culture hasn't got bad things in they ran with. Wakanda's an incredible nation but it's not perfect.

[Blind Wedjat]

Leaked Black Panther voice lines from the Avengers. Sounds like he may be voiced by Christopher Judge (Kratos in God of War 2018).

https://vocaroo.com/16YUa21fgVX4
https://vocaroo.com/1ofTFC3ga7bd
https://vocaroo.com/1csigu2cKEvU
https://vocaroo.com/16hBDZNNCJJl

[Ezyo1000]

Got links to those interviews? I'd like to read them. I'm not sure sure him doing that is proof he hates the franchise, if he did he wouldn't be digging into the flaws he saw and wanted to correct - people only do that because they care. I disagree that no man would be able to resist that temptation, but it's debatable many men won't take advantage in that position. This is why T'Challa is so impressive, he's able to control his impulses to a degree like Batman. That's something you'd fine with most writers in comics books, they didn't like every single thing in the series they're writing. That's why they improve it, most don't admit it out loud. Hudlin was doing things like starting his run with making Wakanda come off as dicks to the world by creating the cure for cancer and not giving it away because everyone else is unworthy and I think something about it being weaponised? And retconning Priest's T'Chaka/Captain America fight to where T'Chaka won when it was a draw, gives the impression he can't stand Black Panther being an equal to anyone, especially a white man. And the preachiness and lack of subtly, Christopher Priest he was not. I did like Shuri, even if she was drawn like she was from a 90's Image bad girl. People took Wakanda seriously, Priest spent years building that up and he was successful in revitalising the nation and BP. Haven't read Coats run yet so I don't have an opinion on those complaints, I recall people complaining about T'Challa showing a vulnerable side when he's written more as a god from distance so readers aren't let into his thoughts when he's having doubts. He's naturally not going to be posturing as an unbeatable bad ass every second of his life, Priest occasionally let this through but he was able to make T'Challa larger then life by keeping readers distant from him. We saw him through other people like Ross, Nakia and other supporting cast. Isn't the slavery thing from the Wakandan empire in space? They may technically be part of Wakanda, but they're an off shoot and it's not like Wakanda culture hasn't got bad things in they ran with. Wakanda's an incredible nation but it's not perfect.

I mean, if you haven't even read Coates run then you can't speak on how he doesn't hate the franchise. Just look up Coates interviews. Dude straight up said in a interview that long time fans and hardcore BP fans aren't going to like his run.

As for Hudlin? No Wakandans weren't dicks for not sharing the cure, what people seem to conveniently forget is that the last time Wakanda did any sort of interaction with the outside world, their king and his first born son were killed, and the other world powers not only didn't provide any sort of help or aid, but ignored them and hid and protected said assassin. But Wakandans are dicks for not sharing though?? See how that doesn't add up?? Priest didn't have the Azzari vs Cap fight. That was Hudlin also and initially he had Azzari beat Cap then later on in his flags of our fathers mini, he retconned it to a draw, so that ain't accurate either.

Priest re-established BP as a force to be reckoned with and Hudlin took that concept and further and added Wakanda to that mix as well. And his tie in forced the rest of the MU to take notice.

Coates issues are many. It's not a problem to have T'Challa be vulnerable, Priest and Hudlin had T'Challa be vulnerable. Coates issue is that T'Challa literally has been moping for the past 4 year's. It made sense kinda at the start but then he never uplifted him.

T'Challa is a side character in his own book, constantly being blamed for everything regardless of it it makes canonical sense or not, he always needed help for everything, he has never beaten the main bad guy without help. Coates was on some serious racial stereotypes (think of every racist stereotype associated with black people and Africa and Coates pretty much threw all of them into the mythos) and a whole lot of other stuff that would take to long to type out. His entire run has been about sidelining T'Challa for his per characters and x men characters that he actually wants to write all the while never bothering to actually show why T'Challa is the GOAT BP.

He made Wakanda a columbus analogue and while yes the intergalactic Wakanda isn't 616 Wakanda, Coates had T'Challa stupidly (and I mean INCREDIBLY STUPID) ignore very obvious and blatant slave isht going on, and when it was brought up to him that there was an issue Coates excuse he had T'Challa use... Plot induced stupidity that doesn't even logically make sense given the situation (basically he tells the person he doesn't believe him because the said person from where T'Challa comes from is a Villain, however, he apparently trust's the leader of the empire despite him being his greatest enemy in his publishing history).

Priest and Hudlin never made T'Challa an unbeatable badass all the time, he lost plenty, that's just something unfans and haters who never actually read the book would state.

[Blind Wedjat]

As for Hudlin? No Wakandans weren't dicks for not sharing the cure, what people seem to conveniently forget is that the last time Wakanda did any sort of interaction with the outside world, their king and his first born son were killed, and the other world powers not only didn't provide any sort of help or aid, but ignored them and hid and protected said assassin. But Wakandans are dicks for not sharing though?? See how that doesn't add up??

Maybe it's just my own interpretation, but I do think this thing was morally ambiguous on purpose. I think Hudlin was trying to make the overall point that Wakandans do not care about anyone else but themselves. Before T'Chaka is killed in the flashback he does berate those other world leaders for purposefully refusing to make the breakthroughs themselves and cure diseases when they can sell them medicine, to which one of them is surprised he's a socialist. And T'Chaka didn't want to share any of Wakanda's scientific breakthroughs or resources because the West would have just monetized it all.

It's a touchy subject and I would be pissed too if I found out some nation was hoarding the cure for cancer, but I don't think Hudlin was trying to completely exalt the Wakandans for that either. I think he was trying to say they are dicks, but the rest of the world are dicks too, and that's why the Wakandans are dicks to everyone else.

[Agent Z]

Gray morality is pretty tricky to convey. I don't think Hudlin handled that story well.

[Blind Wedjat]

Gray morality is pretty tricky to convey. I don't think Hudlin handled that story well.

Agreed. I'd rather forget every single writer forgets the whole cure thing.