tbh i feel rachel and yana, especialy about space/time shenanigans and traumatic childhood
Yes the shiv ended her X-Men career and sent her already fragile mindset and PTSD into overdrive. She would have almost taken anyone's help as she felt abandoned by her family. At first the X-Men only were looking for her as they viewed her as a threat. And then after they realized just how awful they had treated her did they decide they cared for her safety, but by that point she assumed no one cared about her and just wanted to die. Rogue was the only one concerned for her at first, and was the only X-Man looking for Rachel after the battle with Nimrod.
Yeah, they made Rachel unravel to help ease her exit so when Jean and X-Factor become more prominent there were no Phoenix issues. I think if Rachel wasn't made Phoenix and was just her daughter, it would not have been an issue as her personality and use of powers were vastly different from Jean's. Rachel being Phoenix made things problematic for her inclusion (and therefore Excalibur) in crossovers as a Phoenix level character would have been difficult to write into the stories as she would mop the floor with the villains. Hence why after Inferno, Excalibur were sent across the multiverse for 30 issues, which covered many of the cross-overs including Xtinction Agenda and the Muir Isle Saga. And then she was sent packing again so that she couldn't be part of the X-Cutioner's Song.
I think I'd still like to see some Jean & Rachel, or Rachel and Hope scenes, but I agree that I think Rachel deserves and does best with her peers and friends (Rogue, Lorna, Betts, Bobby, Piotr, Kitty, Kurt, Brian, Meggan, etc). Writers often make her become juvenile when interacting with Jean and Scott because they don't know how to write families, or important parent-child interactions.
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She's looking so fierce and so ready to jump out of that closet.
Rachel's a character whose sole purpose seems to be trauma porn.
Her sexuality is nebulous because her trauma has led her to emotional fixations on women: 1. Kitty Pryde, 2. Jean Grey, and 3. Selene.
Jean's understandably mommy issues and her death being a factor. Selene is a manipulator wearing neglige. Kitty's a manipulator wearing friendship.
She's been paired to a variety of unavailable or transient men like Korvus and John Sublime.
Her one seemingly available X-Man partner was Nightcrawler, and that was squicky for the readership.
Many, including myself, would like to see her outed as bisexual/lesbian Kinsey 4 or 5.
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Not a fan of her being gay. Just seems out of character from a character I've read about since she appeared in X-Men. I'm not 100% against it just not a fan of "I've been in the closet the whole time." characters.
Though, this would probably be the queerest team ever if she did come out...lol
Some of us wait, some of us act.
Love her new look and also love that they're letting her have an X on her costume finally!
Claremont originally intended Rachel and Kitty to be an endgame couple. He wasn't allowed to do a lesbian relationship in the comics so he made it subtext. In X-Men: The End by Claremont, Kitty and Rachel are married and have a couple of kids. Kitty is Mayor of Chicago running for President and Rachel does her PR at the beginning of the story. It's implied that they have been together a long time!
We are MUTANT..Krakoa, FOREVER!!! “Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité”
I hate the MC hammer pants. Wish she was wearing Lornas costume instead.
That was implied in X-Men The End?? I had no idea!!! Even though that series was pretty forgettable imo. Even by Claremont standards.
I can never make up my mind between shipping Kitty with Rachel or Illyana, so I think we should just settle it by having those three be the first ever throuple in comic history!!!
Emma Frost, Rogue, Felicia Hardy, Helena Bertinelli, Allison Blaire, Barbara Gordon, Monica Rambeau, Carol Danvers, Illyana Rasputin, Ororo Munroe, Harleen Quinzel, Lorna Dane, Irene Adler, Kate Kane, Rachel Grey Summers, Jean Grey, Diana Prince, Barbara Ann Minerva, Donna Troy, Jennifer Walters, Gwen Stacy, Wanda Maximoff = PERFECTION!