Rachel (Grey) Summers: Phoenix II Appreciation 2020

[Devaishwarya]

Writers have already a set story-line (s) that has absolutely nothing to do with (or very, very little) what the fans want or wish for. You don't see Rachel and Jean interacting because it's some gross conspiracy against their fans... it's just not part of the set plot.
I can almost guarantee...No writer is sitting at their desk thinking..."hmmm...what exactly do the fans want and how do I write(force) that into a story?"

[Havok83]

Writers have already a set story-line (s) that has absolutely nothing to do with (or very, very little) what the fans want or wish for. You don't see Rachel and Jean interacting because it's some gross conspiracy against their fans... it's just not part of the set plot.
I can almost guarantee...No writer is sitting at their desk thinking..."hmmm...what exactly do the fans want and how do I write(force) that into a story?"

I used to think it was some conspiracy theory as well but the posters that do may have some point bc it is puzzling how Jean and Rachel have been alive and in the same space for over a year now and yet to have a single on panel interaction. That has nothing to do with the writers having a set plot for them bc it takes nothing away from the story to have them acknowledge each other when they are in the same scene

[jwatson]

Writers have already a set story-line (s) that has absolutely nothing to do with (or very, very little) what the fans want or wish for. You don't see Rachel and Jean interacting because it's some gross conspiracy against their fans... it's just not part of the set plot.
I can almost guarantee...No writer is sitting at their desk thinking..."hmmm...what exactly do the fans want and how do I write(force) that into a story?"

I think it is a little jarring and makes the mind go hmmm when you can have panels of Cable with Scott and Jean and then in the same books or later there is an isolation and you only really get the two together Cable/Rachel when only scott is present. Not saying that is what it is but it does seem strange. As havok83 one or two scenes would not have changed the plot.

[Devaishwarya]

As writing goes..,if it's not relevant to the plot then there is no need to put it in.
Sure...they can have a panel or two with Rachel and Jean saying: "Hey, how's you doing?" "I'm fine. Scott is a little moody today." "Just today?"
It would be fun but how does it serve the story other than to show Jean and Rachel interacting? Which may not add anything to push the story along, so why take up valuable panel space and time?

In X-Men 01...we saw the Summers/Grey clan all having dinner, In X-Men 10 we saw them on vacation together on Chandilore...we can safely assume Rachel and Jean spoke to and interacted familiarly with each other. At this point...no need really for the in-panel fan-service.
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[jwatson]

As writing goes..,if it's not relevant to the plot then there is no need to put it in.
Sure...they can have a panel or two with Rachel and Jean saying: "Hey, how's you doing?" "I'm fine. Scott is a little moody today." "Just today?"
It would be fun but how does it serve the story other than to show Jean and Rachel interacting? Which may not add anything to push the story along, so why take up valuable panel space and time?

In X-Men 01...we saw the Summers/Grey clan all having dinner, In X-Men 10 we saw them on vacation together on Chandilore...we can safely assume Rachel and Jean spoke to and interacted familiarly with each other. At this point...no need really for the in-panel fan-service.
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Normally i would agree but getting a feeling for how characters interact when you are calling them family is more than fan service. I don't think anyone can say how either feel about or interact with each other and i do think that's important to overall plot. In all of their scenes visually there has been a distance between them. Rachel could be there simply because Scott and Cable are and the same for Jean. If that is what it is it's cool but at least say it.

[Havok83]

Yeah, thats not the point

[Devaishwarya]

Normally i would agree but getting a feeling for how characters interact when you are calling them family is more than fan service. I don't think anyone can say how either feel about or interact with each other and i do think that's important to overall plot. In all of their scenes visually there has been a distance between them. Rachel could be there simply because Scott and Cable are and the same for Jean. If that is what it is it's cool but at least say it.

And maybe that's just the reader interpreting more than necessary into it?

I understand what you and others are saying...but...at the same time...if the scene does not indicate any "friction" or "coldness" when they are together and not being the main focus of the scene (clearly HiX-Man has more of an affinity for Cable and Scott. And Jean hasn't appeared in X-Factor...yet. Rachel hasn't showed up in X-Force...yet) then you can't go throwing out accusations about "conspiracy" or "bad writing" or "negligence".
Some things you sort of have to take at face-value...we've always had to do so since the Claremont days...and one of those things is the Summers/Grey are a family. (We also know from X-Men 01 that despite Rachel attending the dinner she still kept apart and felt out of place for some reason...that hasn't been addressed yet and may never be addressed.)

I get why it's important for the fans of the characters...but I also get why it may not be that important to the writers of these characters.

[jwatson]

And maybe that's just the reader interpreting more than necessary into it?

I understand what you and others are saying...but...at the same time...if the scene does not indicate any "friction" or "coldness" when they are together and not being the main focus of the scene (clearly HiX-Man has more of an affinity for Cable and Scott. And Jean hasn't appeared in X-Factor...yet. Rachel hasn't showed up in X-Force...yet) then you can't go throwing out accusations about "conspiracy" or "bad writing" or "negligence".
Some things you sort of have to take at face-value...we've always had to do so since the Claremont days...and one of those things is the Summers/Grey are a family. (We also know from X-Men 01 that despite Rachel attending the dinner she still kept apart and felt out of place for some reason...that hasn't been addressed yet and may never be addressed.)

I get why it's important for the fans of the characters...but I also get why it may not be that important to the writers of these characters.

But for me who is always looking for context it does show something or atleast creates something in my mind. Just because there is no visual tension. If i saw a mother always hugging on one child and barely showing attention to the other it may very well be because that is just how that other child likes to be loved but as an observer i'm going to wonder, even if unfair. But in comics it's not so unfair to wonder. lol

[Devaishwarya]

LOL. Goddess alone knows that everything is up for interpretation and more often than not gross mis-interpretation.
That's why I personally try not to project too much or read what is not there on the page...until the writer implicitly says something.
As it stands with Jean and Rachel...maybe they're just not as close as Scott and Cable...keeping in mind that the depth of that plot point is based on what happened between Scott and Madelyne, leading up to and during Inferno , and understandably so.

Jean and Rachel's dynamic has always been very different and even a little distant (so you could argue that the writers are staying true to context). But even if the story and canon doesn't clearly show they care for and about each other...at least it does not say they don't.

[jwatson]

LOL. Goddess alone knows that everything is up for interpretation and more often than not gross mis-interpretation.
That's why I personally try not to project too much or read what is not there on the page...until the writer implicitly says something.
As it stands with Jean and Rachel...maybe they're just not that close...keeping in mind that the depth of that plot point ies with Scott and Cable based of what happened between Scott and Madelyne, and understandably so.

Jean and Rachel's dynamic has always been very different and even a little distant (so you could argue that the writers are staying true to context). But canon clearly shows they care for and about each other.

Exactly and i was one of the few that got jean's point of view back in the day. IT made perfect sense for woman who didn't even get to live her own life to be like "Naw i can't deal with no daughter from the future." and the fact that she actually did spend time with baby cable, prob has maddie's memories of birthing him etc, i can understand the difference in treatment and put no blame. But i can see the other side of at least wanting to know where they stand so we can move on or know how to interpret their scenes. It does feel cold to me image wise but i do know there is deep love because Taylor did that in X-men Red. lol

[Devaishwarya]

Exactatiously.
Canon/XMR already shows they crossed their bridges and came to understandings. That they are closer than before (not Scott/Cable close or even Jean/Cable close, but closer). And close they remain, until they're written otherwise.

[WallStreeter]

Exactly and i was one of the few that got jean's point of view back in the day. IT made perfect sense for woman who didn't even get to live her own life to be like "Naw i can't deal with no daughter from the future." and the fact that she actually did spend time with baby cable, prob has maddie's memories of birthing him etc, i can understand the difference in treatment and put no blame. But i can see the other side of at least wanting to know where they stand so we can move on or know how to interpret their scenes. It does feel cold to me image wise but i do know there is deep love because Taylor did that in X-men Red. lol

Kid Canle is like two years older from the age that Jean and Scott first saw him. So he’s still her little boy. Rachel came into Jean’s life has an adult.

I mean obviously there are feelings there but it’s not the same. Even see how Rachel interacts with Nathan she is the big sister.

[WallStreeter]

I used to think it was some conspiracy theory as well but the posters that do may have some point bc it is puzzling how Jean and Rachel have been alive and in the same space for over a year now and yet to have a single on panel interaction. That has nothing to do with the writers having a set plot for them bc it takes nothing away from the story to have them acknowledge each other when they are in the same scene

With all that’s going on in the snoops it’s just not the number one priority when they have hundreds of characters to choose from. Plus we have seen Jean and Rachel interact plenty of times through the years. It’s not like it never happened.

[Havok83]

With all that’s going on in the snoops it’s just not the number one priority when they have hundreds of characters to choose from. Plus we have seen Jean and Rachel interact plenty of times through the years. It’s not like it never happened.

Excuses. When Jean was doing a telepathic breach of Otherworld, there is no reason why Rachel couldnt have been alongside her4, especially considering it was to save her brother. That would have been a callback to the very first issue where Rachel and Nate did a TP investigation which prompted him to bring Jean into the story. There's been 2 dinner scenes and the two did not interact at all in those issues. There was filler material in those issues so having Jean and Rachel speak wouldnt have taken away from anything. There's also several other missed opportunities. Once or twice wouldnt have been an issue but it seems more like a pattern at this point

[Devaishwarya]

I'm always quite entertained by just how industriously some try to revise and re-write a story that was already written months in advance. It's like they should be writing for Marvel instead of the writers they have now.