I'm not exactly blaming Bruce for forgetting Damian's birthday. On the list I made above, him forgetting Damian's birthday is probably the least I had problem with. I know that Damian's birthday is one of the pushing plot for Percy's TT first arc and he didn't want Batman to tag along. But you can't deny that Bruce is a bad father right now. Taylor's Detective Comic shows it, Synder's No Justice shows it, Jurgens Nightwing shows it, King's Batman definitely shows it, Tomasi and Tynion's R.I.P shows it quite harshly and who knows many more about other Robins (and Cass). It's not about Damian and Tim not been seen in batman titles/the manor = Bruce is negligent. It's when Damian and Tim (and his other children) are present Batman doesn't act as father and take care of them properly, or act as father at all. I just don't want they pulled 'Holy Batman who doth noht do anything wrong' like they did sometimes, and make Damian as the fully only sinner one. I just want it get called out, like Tomasi and Tynion did on Alfred R.I.P. On latest TT issue they make brainwashing fiasco to be completely Damian's fault so I think my concern is quite justifiable. Especially on solicitation they shows that Damian lost his Robin title and missing, and Batman is busy with Joker war, sounds like Damian is the only one who get affected from their collision. And Tynion's tweet confirm that whatever happened on TT is connected to why Damian doesn't appear on Joker War.
Last edited by Light of Justice; 06-14-2020 at 11:02 AM.
Motivation is pretty much the key to a story like Damian's in Teen Titans and sadly Glass has really botched that part.
Even if Thompson tried to include all the things Damian fans wanted to get dealt with now, it's far too late in the game to work.
If Dick got shot in the head right now I would understand why Damian suddenly thinks some criminals deserve the ultimate punishment. But that's old news, Dick is actually well on his way to finally come back to his true self after two years. Damian already said that he thinks they didn't go far enough at the end of the last Teen Titans issue, even if something happens in #42 to trigger Damian suddenly chasing after KGBeast, it seems like Damian already made up his mind about what he wants to do.
Considering that the Annual was originally supposed to take place after #41 and the solicitation we got for #42 speaks of Damian being missing like the solicitation for #45 now does too I suspect Damian chasing after KGBeast to kill him is actually part of DC changing plans after Didio left. Of course we don't know if that was Thompson's or DC's idea, but I would be lying if I said those solicitations made me feel hopeful Thompson's run would be less bad.
I don't know how to feel about the story in the 80th anniversary special. It was weird for Bruce to start caring about this when he did nothing about it for months. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I suspect the story was more supposed to be some kind of damage control to make Bruce look like less of an ass than he is.
Last edited by Astralabius; 06-14-2020 at 09:10 AM.
If it's his own decision that's pretty fine actually. Long time ago Damian rejected his fate as Al-Ghul heir, and if Damian also will reject Robin that means he will choose his own fate, fate which is not influenced by his mother or his father. It can be start of his maturity, like he chooses his own path, not as Al-Ghul or as Wayne. IMO he's still too young for that, but i think it's better than Bruce fires Damian and whatever will happen makes him missing.
Last edited by Light of Justice; 06-14-2020 at 09:17 AM.
About evil, I'm just referring on DC morale concept, killing = evil. Because on next TT issue it implied that Damian will 'cross the line' again. And yes I agree with you, even though I love Dick-Damian relationship, Damian is not Dick nor Alfred's responsibility. Bruce needs to learn how to be functional father without those two.
That DC concept of killing = evil is why he ended up in hell after death huh
Okay, I think I got the answer on Bruce and Damian. Thank you. Now it's just how they handle the follow-up. I'll leave what I want for that later after I take it in.
How about Damian and Jason?
- Damian asked to meet Jason in Teen Titans and they ended up fighting. I don't remember the context.
- Damian suspected and accused Jason in Leviathan. Later, Leviathan is revealed to be someone else. Old Manhunter I think.
- Damian and the rest of the fam joined in fighting Thomas Wayne according to Bruce's plan, and they all have dinner after everything's settled.
- Damian met Jason again during RIP. I don't think they talked much, Damian toasted early then left early.
I don't know what happened after that.
I don't know if it's counted or not, on RHATO Jason and Artemis was kissing and Artemis said that their kiss tasted weird, like she kissed with her brother even though she doesn't have any brother. And Jason said that he felt the same, and he has 4 brother. So that means he still acknowledge Damian as his brother. Although for me the more important question is..
JASON YOU KNOW HOW IT FEEL TO KISS YOUR BROTHER? WHICH BROTHER HAVE YOU KISSED BEFORE??
I'm just joking though, I know that both Jason and Artemis lied about their kiss, so high possibility that Jason didn't ever really kiss his brothers before. But yeah, my point is from that sentence Damian was kinda briefly mentioned by him. If there's something other than I don't know it
Last edited by Light of Justice; 06-14-2020 at 11:00 AM.
I'm not certain, but judging by original plans for 5G with Luke as Batman, Damian, probably, was supposed to become a villain/anti-hero, who would eventually clash with Luke. Maybe that was Didio plan from the beginning, at least to explain why Luke became Batman and not Damian. And that's why all of this happened with him. Probably the plot with a secret prison and an absolute failure as the leader of the Titans led to this.
But now plans obviously changed. The main question is that will happen instead of that. And it’s especially interesting what Tynion will do, because he already talked about big plans for him next year.
Glass only planned up to Djinn War. Anything after that is all Thompson, hence Glass no longer being credited. If it was still Glass's story, the credit would be Story by Glass, Script by Thompson - instead of Thompson simply being credited as the writer.
If Glass had plans for Damian's next move, those plans have been changed because of 5G getting aborted.
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As I already said, one of the changes was the new placement of the annual and the insertion of an arc where Damian is teased to hunt after criminals to make them "pay the ultimate price", so at least from my perspective it doesn't sound like plans have changed for the better. Quite the contrary actually.
Big plans don't mean much. DC has "big plans" for a lot of characters. It also doesn't mean that those plans involve Damian going back to being presented in a good light again.
Last edited by Astralabius; 06-14-2020 at 02:41 PM.
No one on the current roster is fit to lead ANYTHING. I feel like Crush is being set up to be an awful leader(nothing we've seen of her so far implies she has good leadership qualities) to justify putting Damian in charge again,despite the fact that he's not a good leader at all.
It seems that you might be right and none of this is on Glass.
The decision and Damian's arc in TT might have been partly mandated. Robin is afterall a corporate character so the decision isn't made by a single writer or editor.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/batma...77910/?page=94
Check out the bottom of the page. Damian fanboy and Glass convo
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