By the way, Tynion likes Tim. With Damian quitting and becoming something else, he really can be used as Robin after Joker War. It's another example of stagnation, but it really can happen. Anyway, it's, probably, the biggest problem with Damian is because each Batman writer just not interested in character. Snyder didn't want to write him and obviously wanted to have Duke as Robin, and I'm sure he was pissed by his ressurection. King doesn't care about anyone expect Selina. And Tynion, as I said, likes Tim more, but in this case I believe he's better option that the first couple.
And there is a positive here. If Damian really becomes completely independent, it is possible that they will do an ongoing about him next year.
Last edited by Morgoth; 06-17-2020 at 01:52 AM.
The problem I see with Damian going independent is that I don't ever see him breaking free from Batman, even less than the other Robins.
Damian is Bruce's bio son, he will never not be compared to Bruce or used to advance Bruce's story when DC feels like it.
In a way you can see Glass' Teen Titans run as Damian going independent and Damian still ended up as a tool in King's Batman run and now Bruce is coming to confront him with the consequences of his actions.
I don't expect this situation to change just because Damian stops being Robin.
It's not a case of Batman writers not liking him [both Synder and King use him more often than any other family members outside of Dick]
It's just that DC decided in the 90's to make Robin an independent hero. Robin hasn't been a regular in the Batman title since the 90's Robin series was introduced in the 90's. Morrison brought the dynamic duo back for Batman and Robin Reborn but that and Tomasi's Batman and Robin volumes were specials.
Other than that series the dynamic duo have really only been in outside titles and cross overs.
It really would be funny and poetic if Tim replaced Damian as Robin lol.
It's not the writers it's Damian. He isn't a team player and he isn't good with people. he's like Bruce but worse due to age and upbringing [In the Animated movies, the brief for writing Damian was 'use the same type of dialogue and reactions as Batman. He's a 12 year old batman so kind of annoying.]
He only introduced to regular society 3 years ago and the concept of working together not dominating.
His history before the final year of his solo is gone, yeah. He didn't remember Cadmus, who were involved in his origin, so that's both the Hawaii era and the Cadmus employee era gone. It's like he started out around the time he got his second costume, which happened in a retool not long before his book was cancelled.
Bart has an excuse though. Remember when Wally West emerged from the Speed Force as Kid Flash instead of Flash - and he later made a new Flash costume? Same thing happened to Bart, he emerged as Impulse instead of Kid Flash. They were both de-aged but retain their memories (unlike Conner, apparently). And Bart didn't change back to Kid Flash because Wallace West was already using the mantle. There was another Impulse, but she wasn't around (she came back in Flash Forward, which is after Bart came back). With Irey gone, he was free to take back the Impulse mantle. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Bart realises Irey is back.
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I think we've already established that Damian is a complete different Robin than his predecessor. Unlike Dick, Jason pre-crowbar, and Tim, Damian's character is too dominating, well that's expected when you combine control-freak Bruce genes with Daughter of Demons gene. He will never want to be underneath anyone, Ra's Talia, even Bruce, that's why we often see Damian and Bruce butting their heads like a pair of bulls. And that's why he gets along with Dick, because Dick as Batman never force Damian to accept him as his leader. And yes, Bruce's harsh and control freak attitude maybe make him look menacing, but combine that with 13 years old (and very short) body, the results is just a boy who is so annoying. Competent of course, but annoying. Sure he has his good, compassionate side, but you will not see it on him on first glance, and he will not show it to you on your first met. That's why he work best on duo, even though Dick found him annoying, Steph found him annoying, Jon found him annoying, they still stay on his side and slowly learn the goodness on his character. But on team, if Damian annoys you, you just can ignore him and hang out with other teammates you like more, and the result is Damian will be isolated from the team. Happened in all of his experience on 3 Teen Titans team.
Last edited by Light of Justice; 06-17-2020 at 04:41 AM.
I don't mean he should accept everyone with open arms. I just don't understand their direction. At first, they allowed Tomasi to lead him along the path of redemption and change, revealed his character on the other hand, in fact, it was then that his character became popular, which saved him from permanent death after Morrison. They gave him friends (Maya, Jon, Titans), gave him team (two teams at the same time), distanced him from Talia and the League, even put him against Ra's, improved his relationship with Bruce and the rest. In short, the entire top of the "dark path" was abandoned, it began to build in a more optimistic manner. That was their direction.
And then with one step it all destroyed and reduced to the starting point) Just what is the point that entire development then?)
Honestly i don't think it is regressive. Tim lost the role but he never really seemed to move on. Red Robin, wearing robin colours, keeps offering to help and was sidekick to Bruce and kate in Rebirth Tec. Tim's like that weird dude that lost his job but won't leave. he keeps coming in and hanging around the office.
Tim is David Brent. The character from the TV series The Office [the UK series] lol
Plus becoming officially Robin not the knock-off Robin role he's been stuck in. it's also better than anything he doing right now.