Damian Wayne: Robin Appreciation 2020

[OpaqueGiraffe17]

Isn't Eobard also the one behind Flashpoint Thomas being unleashed on the main timeline? Making him indirectly responsible for Alfred's death and everything.
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is anything not this guy's fault?

[Jackalope89]

Isn't Eobard also the one behind Flashpoint Thomas being unleashed on the main timeline? Making him indirectly responsible for Alfred's death and everything.
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is anything not this guy's fault?

Flashpoint. That was partly Barry's fault and a naked blue dude.

[Digifiend]

That was all Manhattan. Barry only thought he was to blame, until the truth was revealed in Rebirth.

[Fergus]

The events of Teen Titans (as well as Young Justice) is all Reverse Flash's fault. He hypnotised Wallace into letting Damian get away with his antics (he also tricked Bart into bringing back YJ instead of the Flash Family). Without Thawne's meddling, Wallace would've probably reined Damian in before it was too late.

What makes anyone think that Wallace could rein Damian in? We've seen Wallace try before and fail.

Damian is responsible for his actions.

The irony is that this new development/excuse makes it difficult for Damian to leave Robin. It implies that he needs supervision and his father.

[Jackalope89]

That was all Manhattan. Barry only thought he was to blame, until the truth was revealed in Rebirth.

...Nah. Barry likes messing with timelines too much.

[Blue22]

In this instance it would be more fair to blame Thawne for making Wallace act this way.

[OpaqueGiraffe17]

...Nah. Barry likes messing with timelines too much.

still blame Thawne for killing Nora in the first place, all Flash did was try to fix the timeline Thawne broke. I mean what else is that yellow psycho responsible for? Hiring Joe Chill? Destroying Krypton? Hijacking Damian Wayne's appreciation thread?!?!

[Shadow1322]

What makes anyone think that Wallace could rein Damian in? We've seen Wallace try before and fail.

Damian is responsible for his actions.

The irony is that this new development/excuse makes it difficult for Damian to leave Robin. It implies that he needs supervision and his father.

How about no

Also he 13 It implies that he needs supervision and his father. Yes no fudge

[Eckri]

still blame Thawne for killing Nora in the first place, all Barry did was try to fix the timeline Thawne broke. I mean what else is that yellow psycho responsible for? Hiring Joe Chill? Destroying Krypton? Hijacking Damian Wayne's appreciation thread?!?!

It was me [Character] I [Insert something villainous] did that you.
I'm laughing.
Thawne did everything, he caused Dick to become Ric, he caused Tim to become Drake, he caused Jon to age up, he made the Bat-Cat dialogue for City of Bane (To be fair he did bring Thomas Wayne, he is fully responsible for that), he caused the cancellation of that one Young Justice series, and responsible for Damian not having a constant supporting cast of friends.

Man, the Thawne jokes are killing me.

[Blue22]

It was me [Character] I [Insert something villainous] did that you.
I'm laughing.
Thawne did everything, he caused Dick to become Ric, he caused Tim to become Drake, he caused Jon to age up, he made the Bat-Cat dialogue for City of Bane (To be fair he did bring Thomas Wayne, he is fully responsible for that), he caused the cancellation of that one Young Justice series, and responsible for Damian not having a constant supporting cast of friends.

Man, the Thawne jokes are killing me.

We might as well blame Thawne for all the grim-dark events of the early 2000s while we're at it. #ThawneDidIdentityCrisis

[Eckri]

Just read the recent Flash issue, Wally West's kids are back, Irey and Jai are back.
Does this mean, just a little chance, we get that one cancelled Young Justice team.
Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)
Batgirl (Stephanie Brown)
Robin (Damian Wayne)
Impulse (Irey West)
Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)
Miss Martian (Megan Morse)
Static Shock (Virgil Hawkins)

[Blue22]

Just read the recent Flash issue, Wally West's kids are back, Irey and Jai are back.
Does this mean, just a little chance, we get that one cancelled Young Justice team.
Supergirl (Kara Zor-El)
Batgirl (Stephanie Brown)
Robin (Damian Wayne)
Impulse (Irey West)
Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)
Miss Martian (Megan Morse)
Static Shock (Virgil Hawkins)

As awesome as it would be, I think the ship has sailed on that. Especially with Steph pretty much following Tim everywhere he goes. And I really don't think Wallace would even let Irey anywhere near Damian right now lol.

Depending on how the future of this character goes, he might not be a viable option for anymore teams. Least not for a while.

[Fergus]

How about no

Also he 13 It implies that he needs supervision and his father. Yes no fudge

Damian since before the age of 10 has been independent. The idea that he needs someone to rein him in is insulting and regresses the character all the way back to before his year of Blood.

He might be 13 but he has been commanding forces since before he joined the Batfamily.

Like it or not the idea that Wallace is in anyway responsible for Damian deciding that he needs to find a better solution or for his actions is contradicted by every single Damian story ever written.

The year he spent alone in the new52 proves that Damian minus Bruce is a healthier and more positive Damian.

[Shadow1322]

Damian since before the age of 10 has been independent. The idea that he needs someone to rein him in is insulting and regresses the character all the way back to before his year of Blood.

He might be 13 but he has been commanding forces since before he joined the Batfamily.

Like it or not the idea that Wallace is in anyway responsible for Damian deciding that he needs to find a better solution or for his actions is contradicted by every single Damian story ever written.

The year he spent alone in the new52 proves that Damian minus Bruce is a healthier and more positive Damian.

Damian since before the age of 10 has been independent. The idea that he needs someone to rein him in is insulting and regresses the character all the way back to before his year of Blood.

No the teen titans run did that although by throwing away entire development and regresses his entire character back to when first show up so Tim could be the robin now it look like they just try fix that issues without muck the fact Tim is robin again so regresses his entire character it already happen before the try fix this issue. You just like his they try to fix it so I don't really care

He might be 13 but he has been commanding forces since before he joined the Batfamily.


Commanding forces yes, however that doesn't change the fact that he was and is young and WA age 10 age first appearance and that he was abused or that dick help push development as a character so your point is rather stupid because his commanding forces was used as a point against his character when show up Because he don't understand Bruce ways


Like it or not the idea that Wallace is in anyway responsible for Damian deciding that he needs to find a better solution or for his actions is contradicted by every single Damian story ever written

It's not really Damian had always developed by have someone build him or push him away from the darkness. Dick and Bruce are two top examples actually teen titans contradicted Damian arc because he should be past the point outright killing by now


Is perfect no. But it was something to hopeful fix the mess that was Damian character arc after writer and editorial so get off you high horse


The year he spent alone in the new52 proves that Damian minus Bruce is a healthier and more positive Damian.

You mean the story and his arc and need him be with Bruce and learn from Bruce and Dick to even work that year he spent alone, but that was made useless with the teen titans storyline as he way against all of his past development not just point you dislike but every point from new 52

So yes the teen titans have set Damian back to point that he needs supervision and his father. Or someone supervision him and pushes his development you again just going to have deal with that. Especially because it could be far worse, so this best possible point if turn out this way

[dietrich]

Damian since before the age of 10 has been independent. The idea that he needs someone to rein him in is insulting and regresses the character all the way back to before his year of Blood.

No the teen titans run did although by throw away entire development and
regresses his entire character back to when first show up so Tim could be the robin now it look like they just try fix that issues without muck the fact Tim is robin again so regresses his entire character it already happen before the try fix this issue. You just like his they try fix it well I don't really care.

He might be 13 but he has been commanding forces since before he joined the Batfamily.


commanding forces yes but that change the fact he child at age 10 or that he was abused or that dick help out development as character so you point with stupid point because his commanding forces was used as point against his character when show up Because he don't understand Bruce ways.


Like it or not the idea that Wallace is in anyway responsible for Damian deciding that he needs to find a better solution or for his actions is contradicted by every single Damian story ever written

It not really Damian had always development by have someone build him or push him away from the darkness. DIck and Bruce are two top example actually teen titans contradicted Damian arc because he should be past the point outright killing by now.


Is perfect no. But it was something to hopeful fix the mess that was Damian character arc after writer and editorial so get off you high horse


The year he spent alone in the new52 proves that Damian minus Bruce is a healthier and more positive Damian.

You mean the story and his arc and need him be with Bruce and learn for Bruce and Dick to even work that year he spent alone but that was made useless with the teen titans storyline as he way against all of his past development not just point you dislike but every point from new 52

So yes the teen titans has set Damian back to point that he needs supervision and his father. Or someone supervision him and push his development you again just going to have deal with that. Especially because it could be far worse so this best possible point if turn out this way

You are 100% incorrect.

TT did not regress Damian's character. He made a mistake that is normal and to be expected.

Change isn't easy and if you think that this is the last time Damian is going to stumble then you are in for a surprise. Nightwing Annual Damian asked Bruce if he killed KGBeast for example.

TT actually evolved Damian's character. For the 1st time he is trying things his way. Not his mother's, Dick's or Batman's. That is growth.

He learnt no to kidnap TM's and he went back into hell for a TM.

Damian isn't the 1st character that has gotten shitty writing and he won't be the last so suck it up and quit looking for a way to excuse it.
it sucks but it happens.

Flash absolved Wallace of his part in the TT events it did not absolve Damian. It did not say if Wallace hadn't been brainwashed he would have stooped Damian or that the events wouldn't have happened.

Damian's intent alone already has him in the wrong and guilty.
You might think that Wallace reining Damian in is a positive but it isn't.

If Damian isn't responsible for his bad deeds then who do we praise for his heroic deeds?

Expecting a Tm to rein him in robs him of his agency and renders him incompetent.

Damian should make mistakes. A character that never makes mistakes never grows. Damian sticking to the light, never backsliding 3 years after deciding to becoming a hero and change his ways is bollocks.

That isn't believable even for comics. Like you said he was abused and conditioned meaning that change for him is going to be extra hard.

Damian should still struggle with the whole not killing honestly and in canon we know for a fact that he still considers it eg Nightwing Rebirth where he suggests killing Robinatron.

This was years before Glass.

It sucks what happened in the last TT run and how poorly it was all done but Damian is responsible [Rebirth Deathstroke we even saw Wallace try to talk him around]

Damian will recover. Heck DCeased reaches more readers than TT and comes out more frequently so there's more positive Damian out there.

Also wrong on Damian needing someone to keep him from the dark [what a way to rob the character for all the good he hasx done and how far he has come]

Damian decided to become a hero of his own freewill. He was a solo hero in Gotham before he became Robin or joined the Bats - That is on Damian

Damian has given his life twice to save others. That's more than any other Bat character and he wasn't prompted or guided into doing it by anyone - That's all Damian

Damian went to hell and when he came back he still carried on fighting because it's worth it. He went back into hell to save a Tm - that's Damian

Damian went on a trip around the world to make amends for his past deeds. He earned his Redemption himself. No one had to suggest or influence him. - That's Damian

Damian offered his life for tm's who did not care for him. No one influenced him - That's all Damian

Damian keeps himself from the dark thank you very much.

Damian since rebirth has suggested killing twice and both of those times he was with Bruce and working with Dick. So again Damian is responsible for his actions and while he has had mentors along the way his mind and his heroic journey is all his own and his desire,